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Post by Jimen »

SP4WN wrote:QUOTE (SP4WN @ Feb 12 2010, 09:15 AM) Again:

Homepage

Portal

Big difference.
Well, I'll tell you what. I like the one that has links to pages that tell me what Eve Online is about and how it plays, and not the unnecessary and redundant one that looks like dick and automatically loads (and starts, without my explicit consent) a flash video. I don't give a crap about terrible web games and their terrible web sites, because I thought this thread was about trying to make a new and better FAO homepage, not bicker about semantics?

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I'm no expert but I think the grace period for "if you don't like it then make a better one or shut up" went out the window when a news announcement and a $#@!ing ASGS poll went up asking for input on the homepage designs? Only reason I even bothered to read this thread in the first place, since a twenty-page thread isn't my idea of a fun read.
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Jimen wrote:QUOTE (Jimen @ Feb 12 2010, 02:35 PM) I'm no expert but I think the grace period for "if you don't like it then make a better one or shut up" went out the window when a news announcement and a $#@!ing ASGS poll went up asking for input on the homepage designs? Only reason I even bothered to read this thread in the first place, since a twenty-page thread isn't my idea of a fun read.
No - you could also just vote no to the 2 new options for a homepage then shut-up, or say why you voted no.

No-ones stopping you making your own.
No-ones making you whine.


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Semantics? Are you $#@!ing nuts? WTF has web games got to do with EVE? Like the biggest $#@!ing game out there that resembles anything like Allegiance.

You may prefer a website, in all honesty most people do including myself. But the page in question isnt a $#@!ing homepage or a website, its a landing page or a portal, its not $#@!ing semantics to argue the difference, there is a HUGE difference.

As for making a better one? You serious? The one I'm talking about is pretty much exactly what I designed, only with more features.

Why dont you go follow your own advice instead of dishing out orders.
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notjarvis wrote:QUOTE (notjarvis @ Feb 12 2010, 09:47 AM) No - you could also just vote no to the 2 new options for a homepage then shut-up, or say why you voted no.

No-ones stopping you making your own.
No-ones making you whine.

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I have a better idea: you could shut up and let legitimate criticism flow, instead of the usual procedure of finding the person who most resembles an authority figure and mercilessly sucking their cock for all to see. I didn't come here and post a five-paragraph description of how the pages could be improved because I wanted to argue with gibbering, barely-intelligible idiots who have absolutely no point of their own to push and only came here for the sole purpose of disagreeing with anyone who disagrees with Bacon. No wonder this $#@!ing thread is twenty-two pages...which, incidentally, is why few people bothered to read it and probably has a lot to do with why discussion stagnated till Tigereye forcibly kicked it off again with the ASGS poll. Meaning that it's your fault, personally, that this thread degraded and died, and you are personally responsible for this whole thing being so hard to keep going. You can apologize any time now.
SP4WN wrote:QUOTE (SP4WN @ Feb 12 2010, 09:58 AM) Semantics? Are you $#@!ing nuts? WTF has web games got to do with EVE? Like the biggest $#@!ing game out there that resembles anything like Allegiance.

You may prefer a website, in all honesty most people do including myself. But the page in question isnt a $#@!ing homepage or a website, its a landing page or a portal, its not $#@!ing semantics to argue the difference, there is a HUGE difference.

As for making a better one? You serious? The one I'm talking about is pretty much exactly what I designed, only with more features.

Why dont you go follow your own advice instead of dishing out orders.
Ah, EVE Online, the Icelandic space MMO renowned for its realistic economics centered around player corporations with not much in the way of fame and not a particularly significant playerbase; truly it resembles Allegiance in many ways beyond "they both have spaceships that sometimes shoot at each other"! If you want to copy the websites of successful games, perhaps you could start here and work downward. Notice, for instance, how it concentrates information and page elements to minimize unnecessary empty space, and how the background is carefully designed to fill the unavoidable empty space around the edges of the page (especially on widescreen monitors) without drawing attention away from the actual page content. Notice also how much immediately accessible game info there is - right there on the left, in the open-by-default (unlike the other, less-immediately-important menu items like News and Account) Game Info section, I see "Introduction", "The World", "FAQ", "Story", and like three different pages (plus sub-sections) dedicated to describing to the reader the various interactions between players.

Landing page? Portal? Stop using words when you have absolutely no idea what they mean. A landing page are the things a marketing department loads up with SEO stuff and ad-words and attempts to use as an intermediate page between Google and your actual website, and a portal is something that provides one-click access to a wide range of information or services. Given that both types of pages are supposed to present relevant information, they're irrelevant to much of what's gone on in this thread. But you know what? That's irrelevant too, because this thread is about the "front page" of a "web site"...and given that there's not much of a website since no one cares enough to make any content that's not already on the forums or wiki, that "front page" is pretty much the entire "web site" and should be designed accordingly, not according to half-remembered buzzwords that you think you may possibly apply if you smoke enough $#@!ing weed.

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I should note, however (since everyone else is too busy trying to troll me or fellate everyone else to actually stay on topic), that AEM's new design which he posted in the News thread is much better, resolving most of my problems with the earlier designs. The only problem it retains is that it still looks kinda crappy on widescreen monitors, but as I don't have any solid suggestions on how to fix it with the amount of potential content we have to work with, I'm inclined to give it a pass and say "AEM's new design is fine, let's use that".
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I give the $#@! up, you idiots can argue this bull@#(! between yourselves until kingdom come. Enjoy designing a new "website".
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Jimen wrote:QUOTE (Jimen @ Feb 12 2010, 05:25 PM) In this sentence I make personal attacks on who disagrees with me, instead of addressing their points. In this sentence I explain with more personal attacks why I don't have to address their points. In this sentence, I point out that this thread is very long because people are complaining a lot, so I'll continue complaining instead of making things happen. In this sentence I ask you to suck my cock instead.

In this sentence I start a pointless tirade that is completely offtopic. In this sentence I finally make an example of a game website that does not explain what the game is and does start an unwanted animation as it loads, in complete resonance with what I have said a few minutes ago. In this sentence I express my appreciation with the background image, carefully ignoring that it is approximately the same size in kB than the current obviously overinflated image in Bacon's current mockup and I do not let the fact that Bacon's background is a placeholder get in my way. In this sentence I talk about the navigation bar, which has a bunch of links in tiny print a new user does not really notice as he first watches the page, but I do notice because that's my whole point.

In this sentence I claim the cluelessness of everybody around me. In this sentence I explain what a landing page is and describe perfectly the reason and the role behind Pook's design, then I explain what a portal is and describe perfectly the reason and the role behind our current portal and finally point out I don't have the slightest clue of what you all are trying to accomplish here -- replacing the landing pace. In this sentence I claim everything that has been done so far has been pointless. In this sentence I bring more personal attacks and underline how I do not understand everybody has been trying to do since day one, and instead propose to put up a bunch of webpages a la allegacademy style which has worked so well for everybody so far -- the results are up for everybody to see.
In this line I put the smiley looking up, implicitly claiming the last ten minutes of my life back.
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Jimen wrote:QUOTE (Jimen @ Feb 12 2010, 04:25 PM) If you want to copy the websites of successful games, perhaps you could start here and work downward.
Yeah, WoW has to try to get people don't they? They rely on first impressions from their opening webpage not from adverts, word of mouth, superstarts and live events...

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We don't have the budget to do such a thing, we need a page which will GRIP a new player right away, not a news portal. Context is where it is at here Jimen.

Look, you clearly missed where Bacon and I said over and over that the background he used was told to him (by me) on our first design "meeting" we had to decide what to do. So commenting on that AGAIN like so many others is just another reason we deskface and ignore most of what you say.

I.e you've proven that you're not reading what the designers are saying and decide to tell the designers what to do.

If you're a designer why didn't you help at the start which would've avoided your clear clashing with everyone. If you agree with AEMs design, help him fine tune it. We all just want the best design so help the person you support or do one yourself.
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[quote=""Jimen""]I think it's a piddling, unimportant design detail compared to the much bigger problems that no one seems to want to acknowledge enough to do something about...like the fact that we have an ASGS poll and two threads asking people to critique our current frontpage design, except when they come here and post about it, they get responded to with things like "well that doesn't matter because it's all temporary" and more recently "WELL WE NEVER INTENDED THAT DESIGN TO BE USED IN THE FIRST PLACE RRAGH I AM SO MAD THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL COMMENTING ON THE PAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY THE FAO HOMEPAGE".[/quote]
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SP4WN wrote:QUOTE (SP4WN @ Feb 12 2010, 09:15 AM) Again:

Homepage

Portal

Big difference.
Big difference in that regardless of its purpose the eve Homepage is horribly designed. What a waste of space on such an important page. Mostly filled with petty details that hardly anyone would ever care about.

Portal was done very well and should serve them well.

P.S. If you haven't noticed I have posted a much revised concept in the News thread: http://www.GamingRivalry.com/Alleg/FP/home.html
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omg, I can’t take this anymore and against my better judgment I’m gonna say this :
Jimen, perhaps this needs to be clarified for you

Dec 14th, Bacon (and shortly after AEM and fuzzy) posted asking people to comment, critique and help with the design of their pages. Along the same time there was also a discussion about the content and function of the front page (mostly in relation to the developing of news.freeallegiance.org)

Feb 8th, TE posts in news asking you (and everyone else) NOT to comment, but to VOTE.

Noticed the time gap? Perhaps if you were to offer a few solutions, instead of just pointing out problems, that wouldn’t matter half as much. As it is it matters A LOT.
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