MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Apr 17 2011, 10:03 PM) The early Boomers already have started to retire and like the swarm of locusts they have been through out my life they will consume everything in their path leaving me holding the dregs and paying for it as well.
Ugh, I just got this ugly picture of mom and dad....
Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Apr 18 2011, 09:57 AM) Taxing the poor will never generate sufficient revenue, they don't make enough.
I would propose doing the pension fund reorganization I mentioned, remove any caps, and make the payroll deduction applicable to any source of income. Does this mean rich people will get ludicrous amounts of payout from Social Security? Well yes, but they would have paid a lot in so its only fair.
That coupled with a progressive tax ladder (1% for the poorest working up to whatever is needed for funding) with no credits, no deductions for your typical wage-earner (or business - aside from work expenses). Applicable to any source of income, earned or investment.
Doesn't get much more fair than that. Plus it will greatly ease taxes for most Americans.
::EDIT:: Might also look into a 10-20% reduction in spending so that we can start making some payments on our debt, as long as we can grow our debt slower than inflation we will be making headway.
Honestly the biggest sign of how screwed up things are in America is that Camaro and I often come to basically the same conclusion on how to fix things.
QUOTE Lexaal and germloucks WANT money to go to Planned Parenthood to prevent Metz-types from being born.[/quote]
Well legalized abortion DID reduce the crime rate. But, we cant continue to let poor people decide whether or not to make more poor people (we already know they are lazy and make bad decisions), it's time to activate the Gov't death panel provision in obamacare and...
TAKE BACK AMERICA!!!111!!
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Jimen wrote:QUOTE (Jimen @ Apr 18 2011, 11:56 AM) Honestly the biggest sign of how screwed up things are in America is that Camaro and I often come to basically the same conclusion on how to fix things.
Naw Jimen, I think most of it comes from the fact that I have given up on my "idealistic" view of the world and decided to convince people of actually politically workable solutions to our problems.
Idealism is all fine and dandy, but that won't change things.
I'm sitting in my office and am annoyed by some construction going on outside my door. This got me thinking about this thread though. Its a perfect example of 'trickle down'. I recently hired a new employee that will start in a couple of weeks. Due to hiring the employee I had to purchase some new equipment, but since our existing equipment is about 5 years old I decided to go ahead and outfit the entire team with new equipment rather than buy something I'd likely replace in another year or less anyway.
So that's 10 new monitors and 5 new desktops and one new software license. I'm sure HP, UPS, Intel, the software company, and Microsoft will thank me later. If you want to be critical you could say its only one new desktop, software license, and 2 new monitors since I would've replaced our equipment eventually anyway.
But there's also a construction crew outside my door making noise because adding this new employee into the existing space has created a situation where I need to go from open desks to cubes due to the new proximity of each person being fit into the same space. So that's a crew of 4 working for 5 days (at least that's the quoted bid, I'm assuming there will be upcharges and time additions on top of this) to revamp the office layout and construct cubes. When I was a college student I used to work summers doing construction. So yesterday evening I was chatting with them during their break. One of the people was a temp hired to work this specific job because this company's crews are too busy on other projects.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! The reason I hired the new employee is because I wanted to give a woman who works for me a promotion. Promoting her left a hole in my organization that needed to be filled, thus the new employee. This woman though has bought 4 new suits (or whatever you call the female equivalent of) and is shopping for a new car because of the raise associated with the promotion.
All of this because of one little new employee... Gah... us 'rich' people are demonic... and I didn't even make $250k last year.
mcwarren4 wrote:QUOTE (mcwarren4 @ Apr 20 2011, 11:15 PM) All of this because of one little new employee... Gah... us 'rich' people are demonic... and I didn't even make $250k last year.
Psh you should blame your poor take home pay on your business decisions. I mean construction company to build cubes? I dunno your business but I would just go for cheap partitions and heck they can be done by one person and you wouldn't even need to hire a construction company to take 5 days. What do you need in the workstations? Perhaps you could use Linux and thus save on those expensive software licences.
That's not trickle-down, though, because it didn't come as a direct result of the government giving you free money to reward you for being rich. It's trickle-up - the reason you hired a new employee is likely because...well, I was going to make an economic argument here, but you said right there in the post that it was needed to fill a hole created by nepotism, which kind of negates the point I was going to make. Of course, you wouldn't have had to hire a construction crew to revamp the office if you had planned for expansion in the original layout and made allowances for it, so I guess poor planning and lack of foresight are good for the economy too!
But you know, I guess you're right! Why allow the filthy masses to have enough money to buy your goods and services when we can just funnel all the money straight into your pockets! I'm sure it'll all trickle down to whichever employees manage to survive the layoffs that happen when your business suffers due to potential customers being less able to afford you!
What Allegiance needs is a little more cowbell. 
