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MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Apr 15 2010, 08:49 PM) but I think TE wins the bet

Nah, This isn't an "allegiance is dieing" thread, it's a "I want to start a newbie squad" thread, with mw trying to join in the next topic could well have been post #1.

Psychosis wrote:QUOTE (Psychosis @ Apr 16 2010, 07:39 AM) like?

Picking up chicks obviously

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Apr 16 2010, 09:30 AM) Hi Evil Tesla, I'm the chap who'd be walking you through forming a squad if/when you feel you're ready for that step.

What you will need as a minimum is 15 people and play 3 proper squad games with at least 10 people on each side. Achieve that and you'd be eligable to take part in the squad events that we run (there's a squad league going on at the moment, we play a doubles tournament in the summer where squads pair up to play bigger games and there's a knock out tournament in the autumn).

Still, what other people have said is valid, let's not run before we can walk. I'd suggest you all take AFS and then Cadet (the more advanced course). That should take a couple of months. If you're still playing at that time then you could form your new squad on graduation (Cadet is a great way to meet new players and suck them into your squad ) or you could join an existing squad for a bit and see how they're run. But to be honest you know how a clan is run and as long as you can remember that Squad Games are 3pm Eastern Time on Sundays then you're sorted.

There's a lot of advice out there on squads, like the How SysX Win SGs thread in gameplay right now. Have a good read round and you'll be overflowing with information

Listen to him EvilTesla, and read his blog about `becoming a good squad`.

The squad Rolling Thunder he and I am part of started as a complete newbie squad more than 5 years ago and only barely survived in the beginning days. In fact I`m the only member left who was there at its inception, the rest all left for a number of reasons during the years, but we grew a solid playerbase even so. Let me tell you, those first 2 years were demoralising and a tough period to go through when you get beaten time and time again by the other squads. So the @RT squad (which was also a clan long ago in a MechWarrior game, I wasnt around then though) is more the exception than the rule.

I STRONGLY encourage you to get to know the game first for a year or so, take the training courses like above said and become part of a squad for a while with your other clan members. After that you can always decide to form a new squad.

And Andon also knows how bad things can go with forming a new squad (which eventually disbanded), he experienced it first hand as a squad leader.

As many have mentioned, squads in Allegiance are an intensely structured affair, with a lot of rules surrounding them; this is the case because squads aren't JUST "clans", but also the competitive "teams" for participating in all sorts of events, which are treated with an importance comparable to sports games. The "15 players and three squad games" requirement, for example, is to make sure you can show the minimum ten players to every squad game - which are held as often as once a week. If you don't care about competitive play, you don't need an official squad tag and won't have to deal with all our requirements for squads, which is probably the best way for you guys to go at present.

Regarding Malicious Wrath, people are exaggerating a bit, but their general point (that he's not the person to take squad advice from) is extremely valid - he was responsible for founding the squad DSM, which was well-known for its bad reputation until it fell apart and officially disbanded two months ago. Considering his track record of poor decision-making, I sure as hell wouldn't rely on his advice in squad matters, and it's best if you don't either; there's a lot of people who don't like him as a person, either, and that matters in a community this tight.

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Apr 16 2010, 06:00 AM) Nah, This isn't an "allegiance is dieing" thread, it's a "I want to start a newbie squad" thread, with mw trying to join in the next topic could well have been post #1.

Picking up chicks obviously

He did ask the question Id give it to TE on a close ruling


If I was looking for a game to play with my bestest buddies, and was told:
It takes a year to get good, and best go join another squad until then I'd say *in the voice of Retarded Policeman* byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Lots of nice posts but the ones with the magic touch/powah in this thread are:
TheBored
Raveen

Regarding MalciousWraith; There is in fact no proof he devours infants but there is a telltale odor of baby powder on his breath

MrChaos


edit: spelling what else

IB_ wrote:QUOTE (IB_ @ Apr 16 2010, 07:12 AM) The best advice I can give you is this: Join an existing squad with your 5 players, learn how it works. Learn the game and if in 6 months/a year you still feel this is a good idea, go to a doctor and get some kind of prescription.

Sgt.Pepper wrote:QUOTE (Sgt.Pepper @ Apr 16 2010, 08:10 PM) This thread and responses within reassure me of the helpfulness of the community towards sincere new players.

Agreed

if you can recruit 10 people from outside allegiance who used to be in your clan, this would be a fantastic idea.

Be aware that the learning curve to this game is ridiculously steep, and it will take a minimum of 6 months to learn the game well enough to be considered decent. But if you have 10 or so committed people, you can do it and it would probably be a good experience for a group of people who already know eachother.

If you intend to recruit from our existing playerbase then you probably will have a very difficult time, as others have said, there are multiple squads already in existence and all squads compete for talent. The most talented go to the better squads typically, so you'll be getting mostly the dregs skill-wise, and thus it will be quite difficult to put together a competitive squad.

I know what I'm talking about here as I went through exactly what you did. Badger came from a different game, and tried to re-create his squad in allegiance, Rolling Thunder. I joined it when he first started it. It was mostly alleg newbs, not people who were in his old clan. We struggled for years and lost every game. Lately RT has made amazing gains but it took literally 2-3 years, badger is no longer in the squad, and in fact almost nobody who was in the squad when it started is still in it. Add to that, RT is the one success story, and there are about 7 or 8 similar stories that ended in dismal failure with the squad disbanding.

also re mw: he has a rather sordid reputation in this community for various antics since he joined. He recently attempted to start a squad and it ended in dismal failure after a very short period. He's probably not your best resource here.

Wow, thanks for all the responces.


A Clan tag is no issue. We have been carrying -RG from the begginning. Unfortunatly it will have to be modified to _RG for this game. No big deal.


Steep learning curves don't deture me, I wasn't joking when I called the clan "Rebel Genius." I am studying physics, and one member is studying to be a mathmatician, and anouther is an studying to be an aeronautical engineer.


since we don't have the members to make a squad anyway, convincing me not to is no big deal! lol.

RG has never been very competitive. You'd have to understand my clan to understand why. To put it this way: All members of RG are convinced, that even if we lose every single game, RG is still the best clan of all time. So not being comptitive is normal for us.




Again, Many of our members DON'T want to move into alliegence. I however am more convinced than ever. Yesterday I sat down with my biggist opponent in RG (a very good friend, who doesn't like fast learning curves) and we went through practicly EVERY game made. And showed that only Alliegence could support RG.

Most of our members in RG will be willing to play a game they don't like, simply becouse RG plays it. (For how long, I do not know).

Then all join up together and take AFS/Cadet together. After that you can choose again and see if you're in it for the long haul. Good luck

The biggest bitch about learning the game in my opinion is being alone. There are so many people who are so good, and they get pissed when people $#@! things up. Having a group of you go through it together would probably be a really good thing.

As for your intelligence level, you'll find that a large majority of people here are ridiculously smart. We have computer programmers, lawyers, doctors, and engineers of all sorts. You'll fit right in

EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 16 2010, 09:34 AM) Wow, thanks for all the responces.


A Clan tag is no issue. We have been carrying -RG from the begginning. Unfortunatly it will have to be modified to _RG for this game. No big deal.


Steep learning curves don't deture me, I wasn't joking when I called the clan "Rebel Genius." I am studying physics, and one member is studying to be a mathmatician, and anouther is an studying to be an aeronautical engineer.


since we don't have the members to make a squad anyway, convincing me not to is no big deal! lol.

RG has never been very competitive. You'd have to understand my clan to understand why. To put it this way: All members of RG are convinced, that even if we lose every single game, RG is still the best clan of all time. So not being comptitive is normal for us.




Again, Many of our members DON'T want to move into alliegence. I however am more convinced than ever. Yesterday I sat down with my biggist opponent in RG (a very good friend, who doesn't like fast learning curves) and we went through practicly EVERY game made. And showed that only Alliegence could support RG.

Most of our members in RG will be willing to play a game they don't like, simply becouse RG plays it. (For how long, I do not know).

FYI

All of your clan members would come to someone in this community for a job. Being a "genius" in a game that attracts them is not a good approach to take within this community. The number of people who are PhDs, business owners, chief this and that are staggering, and those that will replace them is glaringly obvious too. Whether its Shiz or Raveen or Grimmwolf or Turkey or Adept you still need to make us a sandwich in any field of study

You are taking a poor tact here brother, and need to lose the rl and online epeen. There is no way on Gods green earth that you and yours are going to come in here and wtfpwn anything or anyone. We all have access to the same games and internet

So please @#(! or get off the pot. While a ready made group of friends is nice and something that Id have to believe is good for the community, you are only FIVE people struggling not to divorce each other, so stow the ego and get in here and get wtfpwned.