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Mr. Kltplzyxm wrote:QUOTE (Mr. Kltplzyxm @ Jul 23 2009, 04:07 PM) LOL. Talk about self incriminating. You deserve a ban to serve as an example for not reading the rules carefully and being a douchebag.

How is it being a douchebag to boot someone for spamming? Isn't the spammer the bigger douchebag? Perhaps douchenozzle even?

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ Jul 23 2009, 09:52 AM) I love how everyone accepts the claimed timespan without any proof whatsoever.

If it really was 10 mins fo requesting, I agree that's kind of ridiculous. But to someone waiting to get on a team, 60 seconds often feels like 10 minutes.

It was five minutes. I was there - please go forum lawyer elsewhere. Not only did I wait 5 minutes to get on Yiggz's team the first thing that I did when I got there was hit Y almost instantly to the mutiny.

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ Jul 23 2009, 10:29 AM) So next time I should let the miners die to accommodate some douche bag with no patience? And my team should have to suffer because comm got dropped on a clueless (3) when you booted me?

How about give a brotha a minute to do his business before you kick him out of the stall

If you cannot. $#@!ing. accept someone. in. 5 $#@!ing minutes. get your ass out of the comm chair. The team will be able to mutiny the newbie and accept new people in under 5 minutes I am sure. Jesus christ I have remapped my keys, accepted someone, and ab'ed someone in the face in a 30 second period - why can't you morons hit f6? Or baring that just hit enter and type something?

MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Jul 23 2009, 12:20 PM) so I have to accept people no matter what finger? Not being a forum lawyer but really?, Or is this just one of those unwritten rules?

If you are the only team that can be joined (Say you are down 5 or something) and no one is in NOAT then yes I personally expect you to accept people. There are many worthless people - stressed is a good example of someone who is $#@!ing useless - but I always allow him on my team. He still deserves a chance to play Allegance till he $#@!s up and gets promptly booted as per usual again. This does not apply if he has a fair chance of joining the other team in a reasonable amount of time.

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Jul 23 2009, 04:15 PM) i dont get it. as a commander there are a few pilots i wont accept on my team because i greatly dislike them

That is okay as long as they have a chance to play on one team or the other.


My position is very clear and no matter how you forum lawyer it it will not change.

IF you cannot accept OR REPLY to any $#@!ing chat for 5 minutes. I will drop you. I don't care if starfire is the next in line to get command you will get a nice 0 minute ban for AFK with command. Especially when there are 3-6 people requesting to try to get on.

5 minutes does approach the level of wtf

booting someone for spamming is good. i do it all the time, but i dont boot, i ban, but warnings are issued prior to a ban.

BUT

SOMETIMES it does take a FEW spam joins to wake a commander up, i mean a few, 2 or 3.

AND

it takes longer to accept a player and boot him that it does to reject a player.




more than likely, a few bans MAY have been issued, some people just should not comm if they cannot do a few simple things at once.


hmm a scenario, if you will.


miner being attacked in a launchable base sector, no one on team defends it, so comms goes to defend it,

a) if comm is a nan, the attacker kills the nan then the miner= dead miner 80% of time
b) if the comm is a fig, he tries to kill attacker before attacker kills the miner = dead attacker maybe 50% of time, but dead miner about 80%


now those 2 scenarios are a single attacker, but with more attackers:

in scenario a) the miner will die virtually every time, whereas in b) the miner will die about 90% of the time



BUT

if you spent those precious 5 seconds to accept a few players that wanted on, lets say you let 2 players on and launched in a nan

a) now becomes 1 nan and 2 figs = miner lives 95% of the time
b) now becomes 1 nan and 2 figs = miner lives 90% of the time


so defending a miner by yourself is pointless, you are far better off to get 1 or 2 new players that will be in a base and tell them to d miner.


all of the above scenarios were made up and the numbers are not accurate, but for arguments sake lets say that they are correct enough as an example.

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ Jul 23 2009, 01:46 PM) How is it being a douchebag to boot someone for spamming? Isn't the spammer the bigger douchebag? Perhaps douchenozzle even?

It can be considered as a retaliatory boot. All of us have been at one time or another blocked out by lame comms who can't accept people while comming to save their lives, despite multiple notifications by PM and join requests. There is no other way you can spin it if said player just got accepted for 10 secs before being booted.

Under no circumstances does the rules say that you can boot someone because you're too freaking slow to accept them under reasonable circumstances. All of us know what spamming is and when someone goes overboard, but making multiple requests over a 5 minute period (or even 3 minutes) is well within reason. It should also not be upon comms to be vigilantes and boot folks who they consider as spammers. That is an @Alleg job. If one is not around, then they're SOL.

And it's being a douchenozzle for booting someone who is trying to join your team and help you out by flying for you. Anybody who boots Raum like that is a moron.

I know when i com sometimes im so busy i miss the 1st request or just forget that I heard it. then said player will pm me and I accept asap.

Also I have been on huge bomb runs with everything counting on timming and your just so engrossed on everything thats going on that your not paying attention to the person wanting to join.


And lastly, they are requesting just as the last missle hits the base, be it yours or theirs:) No point to accept if games about over or you/them are aboutt o resign.


But no way it should take more then 1 minute to accept?


and there is a reject button. It was/is not freyjas job to enforce or teach raum anything. I would however like to see the logs. I take raum's side until im proven wrong.

But raum, dont spam request. just pm


And Yiggz is notoruios about not accepting players. It took him 5 minutes to accept spidey? WTH, oh wait he knew spidey qwould mutiny? or did someone else mutiny yiggz and you just hit Y:)



Pooks rules are pretty clear. Everyone gets to play, until they break some other code or rule. Butt o boot after yuo accept him, means your just an ass freyja

I think 2 minutes is a pretty good level. Commanding is just crazy; there's always stuff going on. I try to stick to requesting join, waiting 60 secs then requesting again, then 30 seconds later drop a PM. Works pretty much every time... I'm sure every commander could stick to that (barring, say, game about to end in ryjamsan's example).

I have resorted to repeatedly hitting join out of frustration sometimes though; that's natural too after a while....

Well to remind u guys....

The originally Request came from MR. A - who got booted at start while he entered a homealeph in his scout.

Freya, u said nothing about the reason ?

champy wrote:QUOTE (champy @ Jul 24 2009, 09:37 AM) Well to remind u guys....

The originally Request came from MR. A - who got booted at start while he entered a homealeph in his scout.

Freya, u said nothing about the reason ?

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. Please explain further.

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Also this game was around 30v30, which is one of the biggest games I command, I'm not perfect and so patience thin when everything happening.

Well... Has champy has mentioned, I created this thread. If he didn't wanted me on the team, he just had to say 1 minute before. There was no reason whatsoever for the booting. I have been playing this game for some years, so I will not really care. But it's really boring and if you want more people to play this game, comms who boot for no reason, or don't accept players because they're noobs or whatever reason they $#@! up gamming for somebody else and nothing happens to them (like banned from game for some time) you won't get new people playing this game for long. If I was playing the game for the first time, or was starting to play on the main server and I got booted for no reason or standed 5 mnts waiting on NOAT because noone accepted me, I would really think twice before playing this game EVER again.
So, if there's someone really responsible for making allegiance a fun game for everyone, and not just for a few "enlightened people", there should be done something about morons!
I usually don't com (because I consider myself to be a bad com), but I would never, ever boot someone just because I don't like the name. And if they're not capable of clicking F6 and accepting players (which is quicker than even typing "wait a minute") I really don't know what kind of excuse coms have to let ppl waiting more than 1 minute.