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The Mueller report states that no conclusive evidence could be found that Trump, his family and his campaign conspired with Russia.
This information was leaked a few months ago to the press, so no big surprise there.
He was not totally exonerated and still could be facing obstruction of justice charges.
I guess we will have to wait and see.

Minigun might be right, if the Democrats can't ferret out a suitable candidate and Trump decides to run for a second term, he may win again.

Well, that's a summary of the report written by a guy who's shown bias against the investigation, but I would have been very surprised if there were charges leveled. The trump team tried to get dirt from russian agents on hilary, that's already known. Actual criminal charges about conspiracy are another matter entirely.

People tend to forget that trump didn't actually want to win the election, just profit from losing. Russia also didn't want hilary to win, and went about trashing her across the internet. They had the same goals, so it's not like they needed to explicitly collude on the matter.

What actually comes from all the information gathered is another story. Trump is a criminal beyond a doubt in my mind, and has committed numerous frauds in the business and tax sector. Remember what Al Capone went to jail for...

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Mar 25 2019, 01:16 PM) What actually comes from all the information gathered is another story. Trump is a criminal beyond a doubt in my mind, and has committed numerous frauds in the business and tax sector. Remember what Al Capone went to jail for...

But Al Capone wasn't president. Which is exactly a huge motivation for Trump trying to win a 2nd term.

You are correct though, when all the information comes to light we will see what happens. Barrs Summary is just as you called it- A summary by a guy biased before he had any info. It is interesting that it is declared that there is "no conspiring by Trump or any of his campaign staff", when it is known that Manafort, his campaign manager, shared polling data with russian operatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ion-latest

trump at the White House yesterday

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Mar 20 2019, 08:08 PM) Sorry, your writing is perfect and everyone loves it. Apologies for insinuating otherwise.

My writing is not perfect, not everyone loves it, but I take my advice about writing from people who work as professional editors and authors, not people who go "it's too long and I didn't bother reading it but here let me give some advice on your writing anyways."

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Mar 25 2019, 07:19 AM) The Mueller report states that no conclusive evidence could be found that Trump, his family and his campaign conspired with Russia.

How do you know? Have you read it? Or have you just read the summary by Trump's appointed AG?

QUOTE This information was leaked a few months ago to the press, so no big surprise there.[/quote]
People keep talking about how Mueller's office leaks but I can't remember any big leaks from Mueller's office.

QUOTE He was not totally exonerated and still could be facing obstruction of justice charges.
I guess we will have to wait and see.[/quote]
I... wow.

Here's what I predict is in the report: the report is going to detail the variety of ways in which Donald Trump was the leader of a campaign staff that committed numerous felonies and directly worked with foreign agents. It will say there is no direct evidence that Trump specifically violated certain, specifically chosen laws. Impeachment charges, if brought against DJT, will likely be for obstruction of justice (same as Nixon and Clinton), resulting in a partisan and political fight that will eventually get defeated along party lines in the senate.

I suspect we won't see the report until a Democrat is in office, specifically because the "report that totally isn't damaging to the President and see now I get to take a victory lap" (i.e. what Minigun thinks happened) is political potassium for Republicans: exposure to even a little air could lead to a large explosion.

I can see why Trump wants to shut this man up.

Wow that first statement... he was nervous. Quite nervous.

P1: I did not read the Mueller Report. I read two articles, that to me both seemed impartial.
Both articles pretty much stated that Trump was found not guilty of collusion but he could still be charge with obstruction of justice.


And yep that dude did seem rather nervous

Those articles are based on a 4 page summary of a 300 page document written by a guy who is literally flat out refusing to let the report become public or show it to any members of congress.

So yeah.

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Mar 29 2019, 03:28 PM) Those articles are based on a 4 page summary of a 300 page document written by a guy who is literally flat out refusing to let the report become public or show it to any members of congress.

If by "flat-out refusing" you mean "working with Mueller's office to publish the full report no later than mid-April, modulo any parts that may disclose intelligence sources and methods, violate federal law regarding the confidentiality of Grand Jury proceedings, or impact other proceedings that the special counsel has referred to other agencies". Which, to me, is not an unreasonable thing to do.

But yeah, team GOP needs to stop taking a victory lap. Evidence of collusion and obstruction has been in plain view since day one. It's Mueller's judgment that he definitely could not secure a criminal conviction on the first, and probably couldn't secure a criminal conviction on the latter. "Not enough to convict" is a terribly low bar to clear.

I really doubt Mueller's report will add much more information that isn't already known. I think Congress will not move to impeach the president absent an actual criminal case going forward, which it looks like we're not getting from the Mueller investigation. But there are still 16 other investigations left to go ...