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cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Dec 13 2018, 06:30 PM) How about we just vote the $#@!ers out?

Kinda hard when the senate is so disproportionately related to populations. We really need to have some reform in the way the Senate is picked/numbered. Or merge low population states into singular states

Paps is 100% right and p1 is 100% wrong.

I like how you totally ignore that these people aren't Vietnamese Nationals, they are southern Vietnamese, a country that does not exist, living in the USA cause your war over there made them refugees, btw, the refugee statute was given by the Americans to these ppl. As the report state, most of them came to the us as children, so if they are criminals, well, they are YOUR criminals. You can't deport them to Vietnam, cause that's not actually their country... So I guess the Vietnamese could now claim that the US is sending the worst of them, twice!!!

https://projects.propublica.org/represe ... nate/2/266

Oh dear, a development! That 7 number is very interesting.

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Dec 13 2018, 06:12 PM) Write your congressman/woman if the actions of the US government & court bother you that much.
Posting your thoughts here isn't really helping the people who are scheduled for deportation

I've noticed an interesting trend in these kinds of conversations. This kind of conservative logic is often based on a question of what is fair. And on some level deporting people who haven't bothered to become citizens for petty crimes is fair. You're right, they could have become citizens.

The liberal perspective on these kinds of things usually looks at circumstance and outcome more. If this kind of deportation policy results in a lot of vulnerable people being deported, is that justice? Does that improve our country?

There's an intuitive logic to the first approach that's really appealing, but imo it starts to get difficult when you consider that our measuring stick for being deserving of our mercy (as in the ability to stay in the country after a petty crime) is whether or not they jumped through the hoops to become a citizen. Is that really a similarly difficult hoop for this friend from England as for a Vietnamese refugee? There's a difference between equality in applied policy and equity in the outcome of that policy. And it's very easy to lean towards the former when you are in a "normal" situation with "normal" friends, but when you see or become part of marginalized communities, that starts to shift. You start to see how some people have significantly more struggles with these kinds of hoops and reconsidering what you would actually consider a fair measuring stick.

Sambasti said kindly what I was too annoyed to say.

Mostly because I'm sick of the intellectual shortsightedness of conservatives, especially in the US.

Political shortsightedness because people do not have a career, but a sequence of tasks (at different organizations)?

Oddly enough deportation doee not apply to Vietnamese born convicted criminals who became American citizens during their 28+ years living in the US.
As well, the deal was amended and discussed in the media on a few occasions.
The threat of deportation has been looming over every Vietnamese non American for a very long time and yet you can't be bothered to become a citizen.
Just sounds like apathy to me.
So no my heart does not bleed for people who can't be bothered to look after their best interests.

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Dec 14 2018, 09:43 AM) Oddly enough deportation doee not apply to Vietnamese born convicted criminals who became American citizens during their 28+ years living in the US.
As well, the deal was amended and discussed in the media on a few occasions.
The threat of deportation has been looming over every Vietnamese non American for a very long time and yet you can't be bothered to become a citizen.
Just sounds like apathy to me.
So no my heart does not bleed for people who can't be bothered to look after their best interests.

Soooooooooo...... WTF about the point of why Vietnam has to take in $#@!ing American Criminals¿? mmmmhhhh, so, i get your point, since Vietnam is $#@!ing dumpster of a country, it has to take the developed world criminals too!!!! great, you're not only happy to bomb this ppl, now you'll send your $#@!ing criminals, who cares about this @#(!holes of a countries, we should use them to dump our toxic waste too!!!! nice!!!! thank you very much.

Bare in mind I'm Canadian so my opinion of what happenes in the US is just that, my opinion.
I have zero influence over American politics since I can't vote in their country.

You are incorrect sir, if they were AMERICAN criminals they cannot be deported.
They are Vietnamese immigrants who do not have the same rights as American citizens.
They commited their crimes in America, that does not automatically make them American.

From what I have been reading about Vietnam, they have one of the fastest growing economies in south east Asia and have their sights set on becoming a developed nation by 2020. So perhaps it is not as much of a @#(! hole as you think it is.
Maybe you recall Globey posted a few videos and links about the beauty and prosperity of Vietnam.

The Vietnam war happened when I was a child.
Am I in favour of what the French, US, North Koreans and Chinese did there?
Nope.
Can they have their criminals back?
Absolutely,but again that is strictly my own opinion.