wtf America

[MrChaos]

I think that my Southern neighbors need to worry about Toronto seceding from the nation more than Qu eb ec, Newfoundland & Labrador, and others as a result

clue bell ring here: I am responding to Terran by making fun of the smugness emitted by most Toronto natives when discussing their city and not in fact him or Toronto. I am also putting a bit of a stake in the heart of the view point that everything is awesome by exposing there are in fact deep historical divisions within Canada too, just like any other country including mine of course.

Just most outside of Canada (including the US) probably don't even know that Quebec was *holds fingers a millimeter apart* from asking to leave Canada and is on a path to vote about it again. Personally I like my neighbors to my South, which is in fact really an awesome place. I imagine it gets tiresome to be seen as the "little brother" in most things. So when it becomes possible to point out that Canada is in fact a "grown ass country" too some will cut corners to make the point... especially when the oppurtunity to give their neighbors nipples a good twisting is there too


I kind of like that those bits shone through the spoiler so I decided to leave it as is

edit: changed to grown ass country as it read better

[Terran]

QUOTE (MrChaos @ Aug 17 2014, 11:55 AM)

I think that my Southern neighbors need to worry about Toronto seceding from the nation more than Qu eb ec, Newfoundland & Labrador, and others as a result

clue bell ring here: I am responding to Terran by making fun of the smugness emitted by most Toronto natives when discussing their city and not in fact him or Toronto. I am also putting a bit of a stake in the heart of the view point that everything is awesome by exposing there are in fact deep historical divisions within Canada too, just like any other country including mine of course.

Just most outside of Canada (including the US) probably don't even know that Quebec was *holds fingers a millimeter apart* from asking to leave Canada and is on a path to vote about it again. Personally I like my neighbors to my South, which is in fact really an awesome place. I imagine it gets tiresome to be seen as the "little brother" in most things. So when it becomes possible to point out that Canada is in fact a "grown ass country" too some will cut corners to make the point... especially when the oppurtunity to give their neighbors nipples a good twisting is there too


I kind of like that those bits shone through the spoiler so I decided to leave it as is

edit: changed to grown ass country as it read better

i'll be honest, i actually got no idea what the hell you just said

that toronto is different from the rest of canada? kinda but not really... the other major urban centres in canada are quite similar in demographics and crime rates. urban centres are different from rural areas? there's more immigrants in cities than in the farms? duh... same as any other country...

quebec's separatist ambitions end with the dumb + old generation from back when they actually did come close. it pretty much ruined all of quebec's economy and Montreal is still recovering from its negative effects.

the point that was made originally is that canada's police squirts water guns while america's police comes ridiculously heavily armed and trigger happy. (there are obviously exceptions but they weren't adressed by the above post so meh) the argument to that was that toronto has a more homogeneous population and that's why its police is somehow less brutal.........?

[Raveen]

I'm sure Agri will be along soon to explain that it's more sporting to hit crims with a big stick than just shoot them.

In all seriousness though - http://www.channel4.com/news/police-fatal-...appy-fact-check

[MrChaos]

never mind, never mind, never mind

*hugs everyone*

[tsubaki_sanjuro]

QUOTE (Raveen @ Aug 19 2014, 01:00 PM) I'm sure Agri will be along soon to explain that it's more sporting to hit crims with a big stick than just shoot them.

In all seriousness though - http://www.channel4.com/news/police-fatal-...appy-fact-check

this episode demonstrates one of the biggest drawbacks to having armed police. give a cop a gun, a baton, some cs, a taser and whatnot and they will always have to have using the gun uppermost in their minds because the consquences of losing it whilst rolling around are so dire. add to that the single patrol habit and its a receipe for disaster, especially in a place like that which must have been bubbling away all summer.

agri hopes british police never get armed routinely, though we are probably only one or two incidents away from that happening.

finally whats with the lack of flame-retardant clothing?



if they got petrol bombs thrown at them there would be a lot of very badly burned chaps.

[shihabdider]

First off tsubaki, your observation regarding the inflammability of the the cop clothes is accurate and a little frightening (certainly not the first thing that comes to mind when I see that picture).

Second, the real issue here is gun control: 48% of the U.S population exercises their second amendment right to bear arms, in Canada that figure is 15%. So Canadian cops are free to walk around with waterguns, but in the U.S, where literally half the people you see are armed, you had better be well-armed if you're going to keep the peace. Paradoxical, of course, and it doesn't mean the heavily armed cops, reminiscent of a fascist police state (a simpler time), is any less worrisome, but there it is.

People don't get along, that's a universal truth. But we should at least keep the scissors away from the people who like to run with them.

With regards to race relations, what IS the solution? The ultimate solution would be the elimination of any idea of race to begin with, obliterate it from language, history, culture, society. That's clearly impossible, because its too deep-rooted to be upturned. We can force equality through new law and legislation, but society will still have its prejudices. We can force society into forgetting, but that would be Orwellian. We just can't paint over the differences, the lines are too solid. So, people die, people protest, laws get passed, laws get ignored, people die again and the cycle continues. Let it be, every protest is a sign that the spirit has not died, and every death a reminder of that spirit's necessity.

Martyrdom people, it works wonders.

[Raveen]

QUOTE (tsubaki_sanjuro @ Aug 19 2014, 08:35 PM) agri hopes british police never get armed routinely, though we are probably only one or two incidents away from that happening.

Agreed, sir.

Whilst I take on board the comments about the population being armed (and that can be fixed by repealing the 2nd Amendment), I wonder how much less likely you are to get hurt, as a copper, if you're carrying a gun? After all, whilst a gun allows you to shoot, it doesn't give any protection against being shot, except by shooting the aggressor (and ideally you don't want to shoot an agressor until they are shooting at you). And having a gun surely makes you more of a target? I would hazard a guess that most crims caught by the police would rather not shoot the copper because that's not going to end well if they get caught. But, if the tithead in question has a gun and is going to shoot you, your options are pretty limited.

Maybe unarmed police in a heavily armed society would force policing by consent?

I don't know and that was all a load of pinko lefty bollocks most likely.

[MrChaos]

QUOTE (Raveen @ Aug 20 2014, 08:05 AM) Agreed, sir.

Whilst I take on board the comments about the population being armed (and that can be fixed by repealing the 2nd Amendment), I wonder how much less likely you are to get hurt, as a copper, if you're carrying a gun? After all, whilst a gun allows you to shoot, it doesn't give any protection against being shot, except by shooting the aggressor (and ideally you don't want to shoot an agressor until they are shooting at you). And having a gun surely makes you more of a target? I would hazard a guess that most crims caught by the police would rather not shoot the copper because that's not going to end well if they get caught. But, if the tithead in question has a gun and is going to shoot you, your options are pretty limited.

Maybe unarmed police in a heavily armed society would force policing by consent?

I don't know and that was all a load of pinko lefty bollocks most likely.

All cops are not created equally sa we all know and with that...

I got pulled over for a traffic stop and the pair of coppers were really aggresive. They shined the side spot light into my mirrors which instantly night blinded me. The copper who came to the window had his hand on his gun, with the holster open (allowing him to pull it without any additional motions) and the other cop on the passenger rear corner and had his gun out and pointed kind of toward me.

I know better than to move and sat with my hands on top of the steering wheel. After doing exactly what I was told the hand came off the gun and the other cop put his gun back in he holster. Me being me and after the tensions went down I went wtf was that about as Im really $#@!ing pissed and scared that you acted like that for a traffic stop. The cop explained that one of their own had been shot during a traffic stop that very night and they were being ordered to exercise caution because it may have been done intentionally (the murder drove off)... I was still fuming but at least had a reason why they acted like $#@!tards and yes having the gun out of the holster without any reason was against policy. I politely asked for their vitals, went to the local police station and gave the head shift copper know how I felt and why. I didn't file a complaint, and the desk sgt was at least polite when I told him how incrediblely mad I was at having guns pointed at me for a traffic stop. It never happened again and there was no ticket issued... stopped for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now if it kept happening and the officers didn't look like me I'd probably end up angry, resentful, and full of suspcisions too.

Ive got a number of people in the family who are cops in one form or the other and to a person Id be shooked to hear they shot someone. None have ever fired their weapons while on duty including one who has been a copper for errm fifteen years in the city of Detroit. I went on a ride along in a surburb here a few years ago (citizens are welcome to ride with cops while on duty). the cop pulled over someone for speeding (he was speeding) and the person in what turned to be a stolen car started getting aggressive after the cop got him out of the car, the driver was not cooperating fully, and when he put his handthe cop on his chest/stomach... the cop performed a quick open palmed forehead strike which is meant to reset the brain, grabbed his ear, pull forward and toward the ground in a smooth motion, person went with pulled ear, arms came out to break what the scrambled brains sees as a fall, he locked arm back and spoke calmly asking for the other as the person went htf did I end up on the ground with my arm pinned back. The officer was aabout 5'5" or so about 145lbs the stolen car driver was my height and size at least, 6'2" 190lbs. The entire thing took about three or four seconds and I only know what he did because he explained it to me after it happened. He also did it all one handed until the dude was on the ground because he his other hand was pushing down on his service piece because he was protecting it from getting snatched... protecting his gun... *sigh* The palm strike didn't even leave a bruise btw.

Got to wait for the details before we start getting excited and judgemental I decided to not engage my Canadian friends anymore as I don't want to be rude, "win" a discussion, really no kidding like the place, and it is the internet after all

[Terran]

Well I'm traveling around east coast US right now, and I gotta say I'm in Atlantic City and I take back everything I said

Place is scary and I enjoy it..

[raumvogel]

QUOTE (Raveen @ Aug 20 2014, 08:05 AM) Agreed, sir.

Whilst I take on board the comments about the population being armed (and that can be fixed by repealing the 2nd Amendment), I wonder how much less likely you are to get hurt, as a copper, if you're carrying a gun? After all, whilst a gun allows you to shoot, it doesn't give any protection against being shot, except by shooting the aggressor (and ideally you don't want to shoot an agressor until they are shooting at you). And having a gun surely makes you more of a target? I would hazard a guess that most crims caught by the police would rather not shoot the copper because that's not going to end well if they get caught. But, if the tithead in question has a gun and is going to shoot you, your options are pretty limited.

Maybe unarmed police in a heavily armed society would force policing by consent?

I don't know and that was all a load of pinko lefty bollocks most likely.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/j...mind-legal-gun/

/Great "ear" story,Mr. C!