spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Apr 1 2011, 04:37 PM) This is the most retarded argument you could have possibly used for your point. Just using RP's for example pkk has been on about them for longer than adept has EVEN PLAYED THE GAME.
Next time save us all some time and post some quotes about how you decided gauss cannon needed changes
It just sucks that any time there's a hint of an Adept supported idea in CC it is suddenly Adept Core accusations all across the board, but when vir implements a few of the changes Adept likes the most it is suddenly gold. :S
That's already been addressed by a few here though, so I'll leave it.
Also I believe there's a whole thread on the gauss stuff, it's called CC11 changelog I think?
djrbk wrote:QUOTE (djrbk @ Apr 1 2011, 08:17 PM) Eh that doesn't seem all that bad to me. If an idea looks good in one core and seems transferrable without messing up too much/maybe even fixing up some stuff in the other core it seems reasonable to suggest it. Especially if one is a community core and the community likes what is happening in XC. Lessens the divide between the cores at that point while Vir sails his away through rapid evolution and CC slowly plods along, while still letting CC come up with its own things through different management. (XC has been through 4 major mods in the time that CC has considered 1 that had relatively light changes?)
Pretty much this. Vir has gone through and implemented a bunch of long suggested changes that simply don't fit into CC's more conservative releases. I disagree with quite a few of his changes, but on the whole it seems like we'll be able to finally change some stuff like PP and SY structure in CC without worrying about the 1000 bitchings we normally get.
Single dev cores are MUCH MUCH simpler than something like CC. Even a dev team core is simpler than CC. Vir has his vision of "How Allegiance Should Be" and that's fine, but woe be to anyone who doesn't meet with his sanction and has some issue with his changes.
Since day 1 of taking over for Spidey on CC I wanted to get a core going to try some of the more out there ideas. CC Experimental was to have some of the stuff like Spunky's econ tweak with capacity equalization, all faction starting figs, Brood's ideas on tech progression etc etc. However, when Vir came out with XC there seemed to be no need any more (also it seemed like Brood lost interest somewhat and I didn't really think anyone else had what it took to run any kind of core). CC will almost always tends towards stagnation. Since it is incredibly difficult to get any type of consensus on major changes (and indeed, they tend to be pretty imbalanced until you get a few versions down) you end up almost never getting anything done unless a vocal majority of the community considers what you're changing to be simply broken. There needs to be things like XC or the TFC to shake things up a bit, and at least putting the effort into lining up the numbers and exposing yourself to public ridicule by making the core file allows your points to be proven rather than theorycrafted.
One last thing before I'm out for a bit. If, sometime down the road, another core becomes the standard (lets say PC2 for example) then it's my belief that it is the CC ZL's duty to ask whether or not their current core actually reflects the desires of any but a small minority. If the answer is yes then I believe that the very next changelist should reflect most of the ideas present in the new main core (and of course an invitation to the core dev would be in order). Even within such a small community as 400-500 people something like CC needs to be constantly evaluated if it has any chance at remaining true to it's name. There will come a time when CC is no longer necessary (it's initial purpose imo being to respond to the issues with Noir's reputed lack of attention to majority opinion at times and to fix some of the more glaringly obvious problems in the DN we were left with), and it is the job of the CC ZL to decide when he is no longer needed. Although I guess the other Zone Leaders could just gang up and kick him out
Sorry to leave this wall of text here Vir, but I feel that I need to make it clear that my disagreements aren't based on "Oh another core threatens mine", but more "Oh I really don't like some of these changes." And I guess I also went and made some promises regarding CC :S