If you have mass drivers loaded on units then you have high powered bowling balls!pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Oct 19 2010, 03:48 PM) Ships drop pretty fast back their maximum speed, so it will be useless.
Fast Attack Carrier
Alleg-physical-laws don't allow that...HSharp wrote:QUOTE (HSharp @ Oct 19 2010, 05:30 PM) If you have mass drivers loaded on units then you have high powered bowling balls!
The Escapist (Justin Emerson) @ Dec 21 2010, 02:33 PM:
The history of open-source Allegiance is paved with the bodies of dead code branches, forum flame wars, and personal vendettas. But a community remains because people still love the game.
Even if it was implemented it will suck vastly. I can imagine it already:
Comm moves carrier near aleph.
Comm: EVERYONE, BOMB RUN NOW, NANS NAOOOOOOOOOOO AT ALEPH.
In reality like 10% of the team would listen but let's say that day a miracle happens and team actually listens.
Comm: OK WE ARE ZE READY, FIRE ZE MISSILES (bomber).
Since you said it will be hard to dock on, I can already tell just 1 or 2 nans will make it along with the bomber, instead of a regular bomb run where nans follow closely (also ideally). Then since all the other nans will be left behind, bomber will probably die to 1 or 2 ints rendering your useless carrier even more useless.
Comm moves carrier near aleph.
Comm: EVERYONE, BOMB RUN NOW, NANS NAOOOOOOOOOOO AT ALEPH.
In reality like 10% of the team would listen but let's say that day a miracle happens and team actually listens.
Comm: OK WE ARE ZE READY, FIRE ZE MISSILES (bomber).
Since you said it will be hard to dock on, I can already tell just 1 or 2 nans will make it along with the bomber, instead of a regular bomb run where nans follow closely (also ideally). Then since all the other nans will be left behind, bomber will probably die to 1 or 2 ints rendering your useless carrier even more useless.
Make Allegiance Great Again
If 300mps is useless then make is faster so that it would be useful. Like 1000mps.
A carrier such as this would help Supremacy fulfill its role.
It would create sector supremacy by allowing ships to respond quickly to threats.
It would make Supremacy more Offensive.
Everyone can only think of 1 use for this, Bomb runs. Why so uncreative?
Why does there need to be a reason to change something? If Alleg is so perfect then get rid of these forums.
If the idea isn't gonna become reality then why put work into it? That is reason for post, to discuss. If we decide we want it then I'll put work into it to make it a reality.
A carrier such as this would help Supremacy fulfill its role.
It would create sector supremacy by allowing ships to respond quickly to threats.
It would make Supremacy more Offensive.
Everyone can only think of 1 use for this, Bomb runs. Why so uncreative?
I don't expect people to respect or understand the idea. But I would appreciate it if people would tell me why they think its a bad idea instead of just trolling "stfu weylin you suck". If I put "flesh on bones" the proposed concept would be too specific to modify.notjarvis wrote:QUOTE (notjarvis @ Oct 19 2010, 06:39 AM) This is like the Dis2 thread in that you throw something out there and expect everyone to a) Immediately respect understand and like your idea b) Put flesh on the bones that you've put in there.
What people are asking for is that you do some basic research on what you are proposing before you jump in with a thread. And actually make a convincing case for why it needs changing.
Anyone can come up with 10 "new" ideas for Alleg. before breakfast. Few people actually put work into supporting them and making them reality.
Why does there need to be a reason to change something? If Alleg is so perfect then get rid of these forums.
If the idea isn't gonna become reality then why put work into it? That is reason for post, to discuss. If we decide we want it then I'll put work into it to make it a reality.
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are u unclebuck?
phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ May 5 2013, 08:35 PM) Vogue is clearly #1 and commanding against him feels like commanding against Spideycw at times... though he lacks that little bit of "I don't care who's on my team or what the factions are, it's going to be a stomp anyways" that Spidey managed to pull off in his heyday.
This will crash clients, because they trigger anti cheat trap...Alien51 wrote:QUOTE (Alien51 @ Oct 20 2010, 06:21 PM) If 300mps is useless then make is faster so that it would be useful. Like 1000mps.
The Escapist (Justin Emerson) @ Dec 21 2010, 02:33 PM:
The history of open-source Allegiance is paved with the bodies of dead code branches, forum flame wars, and personal vendettas. But a community remains because people still love the game.
See, thats a good reason why we shouldn't try this. Yes Code Change for the core too, but honestly I don't think that would be too hard.pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Oct 20 2010, 12:39 PM) This will crash clients, because they trigger anti cheat trap...
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I think you have everything backwards.Alien51 wrote:QUOTE (Alien51 @ Oct 20 2010, 12:21 PM) If 300mps is useless then make is faster so that it would be useful. Like 1000mps.
A carrier such as this would help Supremacy fulfill its role.
It would create sector supremacy by allowing ships to respond quickly to threats.
It would make Supremacy more Offensive.
Everyone can only think of 1 use for this, Bomb runs. Why so uncreative?
I don't expect people to respect or understand the idea. But I would appreciate it if people would tell me why they think its a bad idea instead of just trolling "stfu weylin you suck". If I put "flesh on bones" the proposed concept would be too specific to modify.
Why does there need to be a reason to change something? If Alleg is so perfect then get rid of these forums.
If the idea isn't gonna become reality then why put work into it? That is reason for post, to discuss. If we decide we want it then I'll put work into it to make it a reality.
Firstly, your "elaboration" on why it's a good idea still says essentially nothing. "It would make Supremacy more offensive." How so? How would it make it "more offensive" (I'm sure there's a great pun in there somewhere) more than a regular carrier would? "Would help Supremacy fulfill its role"? How so? You, sir, sound like a politician, making overly-broad general points without really saying much of anything.
As near as I can tell no-one can think of any real use for this. Also, it is your idea. I think it's up to you to think of some uses for this first, rather than expecting others to do this for you. And more specific uses than making Supremacy more offensive.
Of course there have to be reasons to change things. Just because Allegiance isn't perfect doesn't mean you should randomly change things for no reason. Changing things that need to be changed, change for the better, is good. But again, then you have to explain why it's a good change. Maybe we should flip all the ship models upside-down, that would be a change too! Since Allegiance isn't perfect clearly it should be implemented right now, whether it makes sense or not!
Also your thought that if you write the idea out in detail it won't be possible to change it afterwards makes no sense. If you write an idea out in detail and put a lot of thought into it, people are more likely to take it seriously. Then, even if some of the details you worked on aren't liked, perhaps some other aspects of your idea will be picked up by others, and someday, perhaps could even be implemented.
Your idea that you shouldn't put work into this unless you're sure it will make it into the game is also precisely backwards. If you don't put any thought or work into your idea, then it has zero chance of making it into the game. If you sincerely want this change, then you have to put some work and thought into it first. Yes, it's a risk that all this work will be for nothing. If you want any chance of getting results at all, that's a risk you have to take.
In general, yes, discussion is the whole point. But if you have a new idea that you want people to seriously discuss, it is your job to get that discussion going, and for this you need a little more than "hey let's make carriers that are hard to dock at and launch your ship real fast, it will make Supremacy more offensive."
Anyway, this is all a moot point because as people have pointed out, it's a code change, so this is not the right forum for it.
But more generally, I think you need to take a different approach to discussion, and this is not just for Allegiance. If you go through life thinking that all you have to do is throw out half-baked ideas and someone else will do all the work of fleshing them out for you, and next thing you know your idea has been turned into reality with almost no effort on your part, and you can just ignore any criticism against you as being caused by fear of change or something, then you're in for a lifetime of disappointment.