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Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Jun 20 2012, 10:18 PM) If you're really interested in the answer, how about I give you the quote in context, and you see if you can give an answer? You've asked enough questions and read enough threads over the years that you should have some understanding.

Well the solution seems to be that God does it. Good works in mysterious ways if you like.

Which rather begs the question of what the point of the story is on the first place?

It's ok to be rich if you're a Christian but not if you're not is a pointless message because it's clearly established that being Christian it's essential.

Oh and as for picking and choosing that's something that every Christian who isn't a biblical literalist does by definition. The Bible clearly says that the works was created in a week and to not accept that as fact is picking and choosing.

The topic is Creationism & Science.

Not Religion Vs Science.

Creationism is pseudo religion. It is a group of nut bags trying to take on science at science's game, and coming unstuck in the process. They are trying to use texts which are thousands of years old to argue with twenty first century science. Dangyr hyre there be Fred Phelps.

Surely the point of religion is faith. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. In the words of Oddball: "Have a little faith baby, have a little faith".

the cs lewis quote made me laugh, it's $#@!ing retarded

any person who breaks from the accepted doctrine and societal concepts of his time is a madman, and if their madness affects society in a positive way they are remembered as a genius and looked upon with reverence. a person that accomplishes that is still not a deity - they are an extraordinary person, but still a person.

why does jesus get the distinction of being regarded as "the son of god" when his contributions are no greater than hundreds and hundreds of other geniuses that have had a profound impact on society?

did jesus study and make massive advancements in the field of mathematics that exponentially increased the way we understand the universe?

did he make fundamental advances in microbiology that has increased the longevity of billions of people?

did he come to understand and advocate the idea of non-violent protests - the ones that gained india its independence and dominated the civil rights movement which granted equal legal status to black people in the united states?

did he make amazing strides with radioactivity which many many other advances derived from - including treatment for cancer?

nope, nope, nope, and nope - but all of those things have had monumental impacts on our modern society and our way of life today - much moreso than some @#(! some dude said or did a few thousand years ago, i feel - but we don't give any of the individuals responsible for those things the distinction of "THE SON OF GOD," and worshiping jesus as a deity for his deeds is just as stupid in my eyes as building churches to marie curie or louis pasteur, or founding the religions of newtonology, einsteinism, or ghanidiology. it just doesn't make any sense

grarrgrarr wrote:QUOTE (grarrgrarr @ Jun 22 2012, 12:56 AM) Whoops.. I never did mean to say that it was a fact, but only because some people present it as such. Will make amendments to this technical error : )

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Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Jun 21 2012, 10:34 PM) Urgh, now I remembered why I didn't get involved in these threads. People ignore/don't acknowledge the good points you make, can't see their own ignorance and arrogance for what it is, and make sweeping generalisations about groups of people, and even seemingly-reasonable people like Adept have the audacity to say that admitting you don't know the answer to something is a "poisonous viewpoint." What you would us rather do? Boldly and arrogantly claim that we have the answers to absolutely everything? Go "oh yeah, that's a good point, I'll just throw it all in then" ??

Guess I didn't make myself clear in my last post. This is a fruitless conversation to have in a public forum.

I am more than happy to speak to anyone who has an open mind via PM.

Duckwarrior wrote:QUOTE (Duckwarrior @ Jun 22 2012, 04:08 AM) Surely the point of religion is faith. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. In the words of Oddball: "Have a little faith baby, have a little faith".

I prefer Darth Vader, "I find your lack of faith disturbing"

also there is an enormous difference between saying "i don't know the answer to that, maybe i never will, but someday someone will figure it out so it's okay" and "i don't know the answer to that and if i don't understand it the only explanation is that a superior being called god did it"

one is okay, the other is just dumb

Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Jun 22 2012, 10:23 AM) Guess I didn't make myself clear in my last post. This is a fruitless conversation to have in a public forum.

I am more than happy to speak to anyone who has an open mind via PM.

because you're not okay with many people picking apart the fallacies of religion but you feel obligated to take the "moral high ground," tell us our differing perspectives and how we question religion make us arrogant and ignorant and remind us that no really you're done with the thread because

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Jun 22 2012, 05:54 PM) because you're *spew of bile*

Because I'm happy to discuss but don't really want to spent my spare time being insulted?