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raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Jun 30 2011, 09:04 AM) Comeback? What do you call minimum wage labor?

Socialism.

Capitalism would be below minimum wage until the entire world's pay reached a higher level... a slow process, and even then it wouldn't surpass whatever minimum wage would be in a country at a given time because its purchasing power would be too low... it would lead to higher employment levels and a stronger competition against China on manufacturing though.

Also nearly every other continent was touched by colonization, why is it that Africa is so much worse off than the rest of it? Look at the Middle East, India, and Pakistan that was all colonized at some point, and its still better off now than Africa.

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Jul 1 2011, 02:50 PM) Also nearly every other continent was touched by colonization, why is it that Africa is so much worse off than the rest of it? Look at the Middle East, India, and Pakistan that was all colonized at some point, and its still better off now than Africa.

it was colonised last, by people who were often (more the other european nations rather than the british, though the british were pretty bad in places) utterly unconcerned about the natives, was colonised by those who had because of previous contact developed prejudices against non-white people (this is a serious point - compare and contrast the behaviour of early british encounters with africans with the language and behaviour used after, say, 1800) and, probably most importantly, the level of development that was already there was for the most part lower than anywhere apart from the americas (during its conquest by the spanish and portugese, when a far worse colonization process took place) - if you take india as an example, when the EIC started to "acquire" bits of madras, calcutta etc, the various indian armies were as technologically advanced as either the EICs or indeed englands was (indeed the armies of aurangzeb were vastly more powerful), and some of the states were far richer than england was at the time (the mughal empire was probably the richest state on earth during aurangzeb's time - the annual revenues were around £100 million in 1689 money).

as to why africa had a lower level of development - personally agri is of the opinion that, as the human race is a vastly lazy entity, any land which is pleasant, has lots of easily available resources and which doesnt require person x to do much to get by, will not usually end up as one of the "great" powers - great of course meaning in this context "best at robbing". as examples, of course there is the uk, japan, sparta, rome, athens, the realm of clogs, the rebel-held lands (seriously yanks - in fact why is it that so many of you harp on and on about what we did to africa, when you lot remain in posession of almost everything you stole off "the natives" during the 19th century?) and germany (of course germany has some resources such as beer and sausage, and so is useless at robbing).

Progress cannot be made by pointing the finger of blame into the past. We all live in the present and have an opportunity to shape a better future. These random acts of violent ignorance by fear of the unbeknown and stem from beliefs that unconnected events somehow shape the future as a whole. This is not the case.

All events are connected. One small act can start a revolution. A revolution does not have to be political neither does it need to trigger a war. A revolution of ideas, of thought and understanding through testing the tolerances of the masses to said idea. This story may make you angry but, at least you are aware of it now and can do something about it. Never before have we been able to communicate internationally like we can now. Ignorance is no longer the driving force of terrible things, like in the 1600s. Now the driving force is the fear of ignorance that causes these things. The fear of the unknown.

These terrible things are happening now because our scientific knowledge has surpassed our evolved emotional responses to our environments. The metaphysical dichotomy of the modern world appears to have hit Africa the hardest. The long and short of it is that these things are caused by the feeling that it is wrong rather than the knowledge that is wrong. The same can be said for the men who committed this terrible act. They did it because they felt it was right.

Cutting your self up about it will not help. Telling the world about it will. If you dig deeper I’m sure you will find that this kind of thing happens all over the world, in every country. It’s just not always publicized. At least she has the strength to stand up and tell the world what happened to her. That is something to be thankful for. I’m proud of that woman.

Chin up old son. Just knowing about this helps to make the world a better place. It happens slowly but it does happen.

tsubaki_sanjuro wrote:QUOTE (tsubaki_sanjuro @ Jul 1 2011, 01:21 PM) as to why africa had a lower level of development - personally agri is of the opinion that, as the human race is a vastly lazy entity, any land which is pleasant, has lots of easily available resources and which doesnt require person x to do much to get by, will not usually end up as one of the "great" powers - great of course meaning in this context "best at robbing". as examples, of course there is the uk, japan, sparta, rome, athens, the realm of clogs, the rebel-held lands (seriously yanks - in fact why is it that so many of you harp on and on about what we did to africa, when you lot remain in posession of almost everything you stole off "the natives" during the 19th century?) and germany (of course germany has some resources such as beer and sausage, and so is useless at robbing).

I do believe Britain was founded by invading Anglo's and Saxons who conquered the natives of Briton. If you retain control of a land long enough... you become the natives. The British Empire failed to hold its lands.

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Jul 2 2011, 01:43 AM) I do believe Britain was founded by invading Anglo's and Saxons who conquered the natives of Briton. If you retain control of a land long enough... you become the natives. The British Empire failed to hold its lands.

Ry'n ni yma o hyd, er gwaetha pawb a phopeth.

tsubaki_sanjuro wrote:QUOTE (tsubaki_sanjuro @ Jul 2 2011, 11:01 AM) Ry'n ni yma o hyd, er gwaetha pawb a phopeth.

Wel Dywedodd syr. Mae pawb am gael darn o ynys hon am ryw reswm. Roeddem yn union doining beth mae pawb wedi'i wneud eisoes i ni. Beth bynnag, y gorffennol bellach yn hanes.

coopertronic wrote:QUOTE (coopertronic @ Jul 2 2011, 03:19 AM) Chin up old son. Just knowing about this helps to make the world a better place. It happens slowly but it does happen.

This is the reflex that made me share my anger with you guys

And are the Welsh in any position to secede from the Kingdom?

It's a never ending cycle. The ultimate question of life, the universe and everything. But what is the question?

In the future, the works of Douglas Adams may well become a religion, but it's not for certain. (His writings do have a kind of quasi-zen quality to them.) The present is a gift. That is why it is called "The Present". Realities event horizon.

Think of it like this:- You had an opportunity to change the fabric of reality and you chose the better path. To share.

You should hold a mirror up to the world to show everyone what's really going on. The main objective of religion is the enlightenment of the people so they are not so @#(!ty to each other but, people cause acts of genocide in spite of what is in front of their own eyes.

With the medium of the Internet, we can truly see the world through our own eyes, in our own time and improves the way we collectively perceive the relative bubble around all of our name-spaces.

(Sorry if it doesn’t make much sense, I'm a bit drunk now.)

Anyway, here's to the paradox !! !!

coopertronic wrote:QUOTE (coopertronic @ Jul 3 2011, 01:20 AM) It's a never ending cycle. The ultimate question of life, the universe and everything. But what is the question?

In the future, the works of Douglas Adams may well become a religion, but it's not for certain. (His writings do have a kind of quasi-zen quality to them.) The present is a gift. That is why it is called "The Present". Realities event horizon.

Think of it like this:- You had an opportunity to change the fabric of reality and you chose the better path. To share.

You should hold a mirror up to the world to show everyone what's really going on. The main objective of religion is the enlightenment of the people so they are not so @#(!ty to each other but, people cause acts of genocide in spite of what is in front of their own eyes.

With the medium of the Internet, we can truly see the world through our own eyes, in our own time and improves the way we collectively perceive the relative bubble around all of our name-spaces.

(Sorry if it doesn’t make much sense, I'm a bit drunk now.)

Anyway, here's to the paradox !! !!

So you want to start an internet religion?