Res1

Elzam_ · Post by **Elzam_** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:46 am

What would Icky Say?

QUOTE There is an issue in your logic here. You are saying:

"Hey everyone else in the community, I know you disagree with me, but why? You need to convince me I am wrong!"

instead of

"Hey everyone else in the community, I know you disagree with me! Here is a well-thought-out proposal including a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION!"

It's not our job to convince you that its a stupid idea. It's your job to convince us it's NOT a stupid idea and you have failed.

You have a solution in search of a problem here.[/quote]

Alien51 · Post by **Alien51** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:49 am

I made a small comment concerning XC03, you made a jeer at it. So I answered your jeer/question, and then you get mad at me for talking about XC03 in CC forums? Lay off the hate juice.

I never said anything about people boosting out of range. That was never a point of mine, you brought that up; and I didn't see how it was a point to be taken against my standing so I didn't comment. I consider that fact to go with my standing; (meaning, it's not cheese therefore a tolerable change).

Probing is also the answer to bombing, or should be anyhow. But Bbrs have much higher sig than TT & HTT, also bombing teams usually rely on their turrets to win. TT teams have hoards of Ints which are much more effective. So right now Exp teams have the upper hand in...
Sig
Brute Force
Sensors (PP)

Why can't Sup/Garr teams have this small something?

EDIT:
I thought this was Community Core. Meaning a core derived from what the Community wants. I know I'm not the Community, I'm just making conversation about something I'd like which I think most other people would like too. But it seems there is no discussion to be had. If no one cares about my opinion than why do you spend your time telling me how bad my opinion is?

Icky · Post by **Icky** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:23 am

Alien51 wrote:QUOTE (Alien51 @ Mar 8 2011, 07:49 PM) Probing is also the answer to bombing, or should be anyhow. But Bbrs have much higher sig than TT & HTT, also bombing teams usually rely on their turrets to win. TT teams have hoards of Ints which are much more effective. So right now Exp teams have the upper hand in...
Sig
Brute Force
Sensors (PP)

Why can't Sup/Garr teams have this small something?

EDIT:
I thought this was Community Core. Meaning a core derived from what the Community wants. I know I'm not the Community, I'm just making conversation about something I'd like which I think most other people would like too. But it seems there is no discussion to be had. If no one cares about my opinion than why do you spend your time telling me how bad my opinion is?

- The HTT run takes a lot more coordination to pull off than a BBR run. Also a lot more time. A bomb run can get going in less than a minute, including getting everyone to rip home to get nans or w/e. An HTT run takes a long time to get set up, navigate low sig scouts/int escort to the enemy sector while avoiding probes, get in position, and execute.

- It's a lot easier to keep turrets w/lead indicators on target rather than ints boosting around wherever when defending a run. There are even VCs especially for this purpose. Also if you want to compare apples to apples, let's compare light ints with mini1 to AC1 turrets. At that tech level you are better off with two turrets instead of 2 ints unless they are really good vets. It's not equivalent to say "hoards of ints" (I think you meant "hordes" but whatever) to two turrets. Bomb runs can also have "hordes of nans", which is a lot harder to do on a stealth HTT run.

- Please don't bring up PP. EVAR.

- We are responding to you because we believe in the PROCESS of the CC, which is to say people bring up ideas (hopefully well thought out, etc like lex or whoever brought up earlier), the community responds, and it either gets accepted or dropped. You for whatever reason seem to have a brain that is pre-wired to filter out anything that doesn't coincide with your pre-conceived notions. I don't mean this as an insult, but you basically ignore criticism and say "...but but but" without actually addressing the criticism.

Is it more likely that EVERYONE ELSE is wrong and you are the lone voice of reason in the whole Allegiance universe, or that you are wrong and/or have a bad idea, but refuse to accept your own fallibility and therefore continue to pursue threads like this even though history and experience have both indicated it will go nowhere and only earn you derision?

Alien51 · Post by **Alien51** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:44 am

Criticism? And me not responding? Responding to your hateful criticism is what has kept this thread going. Listening to criticism and disagreeing with it while bringing up points as to why is not ignoring criticism. The only criticism I see is against me making CC threads, and not against Bbrs being able to use Res1.

I'd say a HTT takes the same amount of coordination as a Bombing run. If not less, it's a lot easier to sneak a HTT run than a bombing run. Sneaking always takes fewer players. The phrase "Force Cap" comes to mind as well, a "Force Cap" requires the same amount of coordination as bombing run.

It is easier for turrets to shoot things than for Ints to shoot things, but that's not the point. A team of Ints can take the fight away from the HTT, and shoot at more than 2 things at a time. Firepower aside that is a huge advantage. Yes I meant hordes, thanks for the correction.

What's with PP?

I would find it hard to believe that you respond because you believe in the process of CC.

It's more likely that I'm right. You don't know me and probably don't know yourself, so you wouldn't know this. That's ok.

Jimen · Post by **Jimen** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:50 am

Alien51 wrote:QUOTE (Alien51 @ Mar 8 2011, 06:30 PM) It'd help balance it because it would keep both Exp teams and Sup teams equally dangerous. Exp teams big strength is camping alephs, with this Sup can fight against that. Sups big strength was its guaranteed time allowed until HTT came out, but this is no longer true.

Alien51 wrote:QUOTE (Alien51 @ Mar 8 2011, 08:44 PM) I'd say a HTT takes the same amount of coordination as a Bombing run. If not less, it's a lot easier to sneak a HTT run than a bombing run. Sneaking always takes fewer players. The phrase "Force Cap" comes to mind as well, a "Force Cap" requires the same amount of coordination as bombing run.

have you considered taking cadet II? it might really help fill in some of your awful misconceptions about the basic gameplay flow of Allegiance

Alien51 · Post by **Alien51** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:53 am

What is the awful misconception? And what are those wing shaped things in my signature?

Anyone else jump on the anti-Alien bandwagon?

Icky · Post by **Icky** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:56 am

Alien51 wrote:QUOTE (Alien51 @ Mar 8 2011, 08:44 PM) I'd say a HTT takes the same amount of coordination as a Bombing run. If not less, it's a lot easier to sneak a HTT run than a bombing run. Sneaking always takes fewer players. The phrase "Force Cap" comes to mind as well, a "Force Cap" requires the same amount of coordination as bombing run.

You'd be wrong. It takes a smaller number of players but for a lot longer period of time. It's a lot more precarious to sneak. Not to be condescending, (or actually to be a lot condescending) you'll pardon me if I don't request your opinions on how much coordination different processes take what with your exceptionally long history of awesomeness.

QUOTE It is easier for turrets to shoot things than for Ints to shoot things, but that's not the point. A team of Ints can take the fight away from the HTT, and shoot at more than 2 things at a time. Firepower aside that is a huge advantage. Yes I meant hordes, thanks for the correction.[/quote]

The team of ints can get pulled away from the HTT. A decent/non-BS team won't be distracted by ints into letting the HTT walk in. Nans > ints.

QUOTE What's with PP?[/quote]

Read some of the older CC threads.

QUOTE I would find it hard to believe that you respond because you believe in the process of CC.

It's more likely that I'm right. You don't know me and probably don't know yourself, so you wouldn't know this. That's ok.[/quote]

Please keep reinforcing my point about your delusion that you are the only person who is right and everyone else just can't see your brilliance. SOME DAY we will understand you for the genius that you are, I'm sure. For now please stop bringing up stupid, poorly thought out ideas that don't fix anything that needs fixing but instead create additional issues.

Xeretov, please lock this @#(!!

Alien51 · Post by **Alien51** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:10 am

What issues does this create?

DasSmiter · Post by **DasSmiter** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:11 am

Unfortunately Xere doesn't have the time he used to use to silence these things

I, however, am locking this down.

Alien the idea behind "Lets take a little used piece of tech and try to make it more easily used" is fine. Your other reasons are pretty silly though.

In the future if you have an idea like this simply private message me Alien. Honestly most of your posts on "balance" suck, and you'll never live down the reputation for ignorance you're getting.