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I want to go to XT, too ... when Cable goes there!!!1

_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Jun 8 2010, 10:57 AM) But that isn't the way Allegiance is. If all you cared about was fun, nobody would ever nan, probe, scout or command. If I wanted to only do what was fun I would int whore aimlessly all game long and not care whether the team won or lost. Maybe that is how some people treat the game, but you need to do things that are less than fun if you want to be competitive. Isn't that why we have leagues and tournaments anyway? To be competitive? If you don't want to compete then don't sign your squad up for a competition.

I don't agree with your definition of fun and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not everyone finds int-whoring fun...

Winning games is fun... being a part of a winning team is fun.... some quieter people like doing tasks that aren't recognised and have fun knowing they are doing an important job even if it isn't recognised.

Fun is different things to different people, that's why there are pubs, cinemas, strip clubs, bowling alleys, PC's, Wii's, sports clubs etc. rather than just one form of entertainment that everyone used!

Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Jun 8 2010, 07:42 AM) I don't agree with your definition of fun and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not everyone finds int-whoring fun...

Winning games is fun... being a part of a winning team is fun.... some quieter people like doing tasks that aren't recognized and have fun knowing they are doing an important job even if it isn't recognized.

So you agree winning is fun. NJ is arguing that it isn't about winning which seems a little ridiculous for something that is organized as a competition.

_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Jun 8 2010, 12:52 PM) So you agree winning is fun. NJ is arguing that it isn't about winning which seems a little ridiculous for something that is organized as a competition.

Of course winning is often fun.

I was just arguing it wasn't everything.

I've had plenty of fun in games that were lost. And I've sometimes had no fun at all in games that the team I am on has won.

_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Jun 8 2010, 02:52 PM) So you agree winning is fun. NJ is arguing that it isn't about winning which seems a little ridiculous for something that is organized as a competition.

well if you talk about alleg more challenge = more fun, if there is a real challenge and if you really have to struggle to win then its fun whether you win or not. Sometimes winning is not much fun like a losing a close game where you have to rush between O and D all the time, I think that's what NJ is trying to point out.

Solamnus wrote:QUOTE (Solamnus @ Jun 8 2010, 08:01 AM) well if you talk about alleg more challenge = more fun, if there is a real challenge and if you really have to struggle to win then its fun whether you win or not. Sometimes winning is not much fun like a losing a close game where you have to rush between O and D all the time, I think that's what NJ is trying to point out.

I definitely agree with you on that close game part. Some of the best games I have played have been ones that went back and forth for hours and either side could have won. And then there are some horrible games where squads lose to hvy scouts or go Giga tac on star. I think that is what Cable is getting at. There were too many games this past league where some squads didn't even seem to care and yet they whined on the forums anyway.

Buying nothing but Giga Bombers on star vs IC comes to mind. No op, no bases, just bombers.

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Taking part is only fun when you feel like everyone gave their all, win or loss.

If you win and it was too easy and you didn't have to try? That isn't fun.

If you lose and you feel that you didn't put up a fight? That isn't fun either.

I think what is most important is that everyone in a squad (any squad) needs to be on the same page. Fancy all just turning up whenever, forfeiting a few, not really just but just chatting on TS? Then go to squad A! If you feel like fun is being talked to like your garbage when you make a mistake but you know it is for your own benefit because you want to improve. Go to squad B. If you want to try your hardest and know when your in the game everyone who is on your team feels the same way and will take the game seriously too, go to squad C.

et$#@!ingc.

This game demand players to be hardcore coffee sipping teabag slinging slipper wearing pajamas junkies...

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Jun 8 2010, 03:36 AM) I don't often post outside of the SYSX boards. Every once in a blue moon I will catch a series of threads that makes me want to laugh at all the pathetic people.

FIRST: You shouldn't be part of a Squad if you say you can not field a team because of real life.

I disagree with the specifics of this point. You're entitled to be part of a squad no matter what your RL is and no matter what the RL of the rest of the squad is. What you should avoid at all costs is scheduling a SG when RL is going to keep your squad from showing. Everyone $#@!s up from time to time (RT very much included ) but as a rule, if you have a game then your squad should show up for it even if any given member of that squad can't.

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Jun 8 2010, 03:36 AM) Second: WHo ever is in charge of your squad is a poor planner, a horrible recruiter and a lazy bastard. Find some decent commanders, get people looking for good talent, create a commaraderie.

Not entirely sure who this is aimed at but in general yes: recruit sensibly and fill key positions in your SG team. But figuring in my response to point 1 you should have a backup for the most important roles (such as com).

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Jun 8 2010, 03:36 AM) Third : Your team mates are lazy bastards , they have have no heart and the team is not willing to step up to breath life into the team. You can not just blame the squad leadership. It's not their Squad..... its yours too, you get out what you put in.

The base unit of the squad is the pilot, not the tokens. If the pilots fail the squad fails. Leaders can only lead where the pilots are willing to follow.

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Jun 8 2010, 03:36 AM) Fourth: Losing games sucks but you gain respect if you play hard, you gain no rspect if you do nothing to get better .

Agreed again (I'm agreeing with Cable more than I'd ever have expected ). Clearly losing games sucks, so play more against the people just above your level and knock them out one by one. Go for the big guys of course, but not every week.

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Jun 8 2010, 03:36 AM) Fifth: If you want a social club, have the balls to disband your squad status and let the few people who want to show up shore the other weaker squads.

What's wrong with a social club? It's a very limited view of this community to say that SGs are the only function of squads. I personally want to be in a squad with people I like and enjoying playing games with. Winning with those people makes it even better but it's by no means the whole of it. If a squad isn't a social structure then why do people wear their squad tags throughout the week and not just on SG days?

Cable wrote:QUOTE (Cable @ Jun 8 2010, 03:36 AM) Finally ....if your insulted by this good.. Stop bitching and whining and get of your freaking ass and do something about it. WISHING WILL NOT BEAT SYSX OR XT, playing and getting better is how you steal the ring... IT WILL NOT BE HANDED TO YOU.... BUT IF YOU TAKE IT...... YOU WILL GAIN MY RESPECT and the respect of the others. Hell if you show up and make a sold go at it you gain everyones respect.

Bam! Over the last three years, the only squad not to have a serious slump is PK (although they might be having one right now, time will tell). SysX and XT have both fallen and had to work hard to get back to the top. RT haven't slumped although we've not had the best year so far this year but we started as a mid range at best squad and we've worked hard to get into the 2nd tier and at times on a par with the top lot.