Bios Fighter Changes

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:30 pm

we made fbs larger? i thought that was still under discussion

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:44 pm

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Oct 2 2009, 01:30 PM) we made fbs larger? i thought that was still under discussion

55% of the community votes yes for that via asgs.

Not only that but it was posted in the change log for CC_06 if there was any confusion.

tut tut

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:31 pm

Spidey, I finally have the pictures I promised you weeks ago.

You may want to put a copy of this post (or at least the picture) in the first post in this thread, so everybody is on the same page.

This should help the disussion. I plan to do a set of all the fighters in the game, as scale is a hidden source of perks/nerfs that is hard to estimate without solid data. Many thanks to Exo@SF for helping me with this.

Technical info: All the pictures are taken at 500 m range and maximum zoom. That way the distance is within 495.5 - 500.4 meters, meaning the error is within 0.2%, as opposed to getting to 20 m where it would be at max 5%.

I didn't do flawless work in combining these into one picture. All six originals can be found here:
http://users.utu.fi/mikrin/Allegiance/

I also intend to hand draw the outline and combine them, so we can see how much target area each fighter presents in the three directions. I realise these are the two most glaring examples. The IC fighter is huge, and the bios one is tiny. Then again, it means these two are in the most dire need of adjustment. I propose a 10% scale reduction for IC, and a 10% scale increase for bios. After next tuesday I will be available to make a second set of pictures with those adjustments, if somebody makes such a core for me.

PS.

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Oct 2 2009, 08:30 PM) we made fbs larger? i thought that was still under discussion

*waits for Xeretov to yell at Brood for a change

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:49 pm

Just noticed the rather silly results in the poll. Maybe it should be run again, now that we have the pictures to actually compare the scale?

Vlymoxyd · Post by **Vlymoxyd** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:51 pm

As I said in the other thread, imo, the IC fig is fine with a 10% reduction that it already got. Just raise the scale of all other figs to their original value... Obviously, after seeing this, I'd be willing to waise the sclae of bios figs by 11% too

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:34 pm

I think the fig scale reduction has helped balance a lot Vly... but I need to do the pics from everything so we can truly get to grips with this stuff. Bios and IC figs are just the most glaring examples.

Valiance · Post by **Valiance** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:35 pm

You cannot run a poll, say the results are silly, then run it again in the hope it goes in your favour. It is pointless.

SpaceJunk · Post by **SpaceJunk** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:52 pm

Valiance wrote:QUOTE (Valiance @ Oct 3 2009, 06:35 PM) You cannot run a poll, say the results are silly, then run it again in the hope it goes in your favour. It is pointless.

Why? Ireland just did it.

(sorry for the OT)

I didn't notice bios figs were so small, since head on they seem to have a normal size. But anyway, not all faction ships need to be the same size.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:11 pm

Valiance wrote:QUOTE (Valiance @ Oct 3 2009, 07:35 PM) You cannot run a poll, say the results are silly, then run it again in the hope it goes in your favour. It is pointless.

I meant that people should have had the pictures (or some other objective measurement) to make a informed vote.

Hellsyng · Post by **Hellsyng** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:57 pm

SpaceJunk wrote:QUOTE (SpaceJunk @ Oct 3 2009, 11:52 AM) Why? Ireland just did it. (sorry for the OT)

I didn't notice bios figs were so small, since head on they seem to have a normal size. But anyway, not all faction ships need to be the same size.

Exactly. Its just one of the quirks of Bios. If you continue to balance to much then the factions will become basically the same with different skins.
Voted no on size and no on minepacks instead of prox