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MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ May 29 2009, 04:11 AM) apochi... apochi

*knocks on the old apple crate he use to hide under when we were in cadet together* [remember the thread? I do]

Here brother have a cup of tea and couple of biscuits while I say something to you

You raised a fine child, who has grown into a well adjusted young man. You should be proud of your efforts getting him to this point. As he continues to grow and mature others will influence him and sometimes not in the direction you wished. Many times in ways you most likely don't approve. Now we both know you recently pushed him away because you didn't like the direction he's grown but two things I'm pretty sure we all see. First you still care and way more then you let on, and two you want to have some influence in his life again. That's going to be tough if you keep fighting with all the people in his life now. Sometimes you get all snarky and sometimes they are snarky too. If you keep it up and everyone is pointing fingers then it will only harm the kid. None of is want that now do we? So maybe you can go to talk with Mama Spidey and work something out? Or at least keep around to see him go to his first prom


MrChaos

[ I hope everyone takes in the spirit it was meant,as in Im not belittling the work of others earlier efforts, nor speaking down to APochi rather I tried to keep in "character"... hell at least I enjoyed this one ]

That brought a tear to my eye!

Xeretov wrote:QUOTE (Xeretov @ May 28 2009, 05:07 PM) We didn't. It hasn't been made, or even looked at. I direct you to my replies below for the rest of your post.

The core was checked by at least 2-3 people, myself included. We found and fixed every bug in the core related to our changes at the time, and I am incredibly thorough in checking. However I didn't check the reverted miner riptimes because they were done at the last minute. @#(! happens.

How can they have been done at the last minute? The changes were announced a lot time ago AND we had the whole thread talking first about 1. why IC doesn't need that sort of change (which nobody seems to care about) and 2. Drizzo talking about how miner AI gets confused with the rip time change.

If you haven't made another version, why is there this "two versions of CC_05 floating around"? Who's making the core changes anyway?

QUOTE I'm not sure whats going on with the IC garrison .cvh so I'm not going to comment on that.[/quote]

How the hell can you not know? Aren't there threads for this thing in your private dev forum?! This is concerning. First I flame Apoch for his core making efforts (see thread that led to new leadership) and now instead of one dude doing everything...we have ten dudes not knowing what the other guy is doing? What the hell is up with that?

QUOTE Edit: I don't have a problem with constructive criticism, or bug reports. But making blind accusations accomplish nothing more than to tick off the volunteers who work on this core, especially when most of it is out of our hands.[/quote]

I agree that TE putting stuff on autoupdate is out of your hands. But aside from that...all work on CC is in your hands. I'm not exactly sure whose hands it is in if it isn't in yours.

The most concerning thing out of all this is the fact that a gamebreaking change was not specifically announced in Spidey's CC_05 thread in General.

Now that I have some more information I can clear things up for you.

CronoDroid wrote:QUOTE (CronoDroid @ May 29 2009, 07:59 PM) How can they have been done at the last minute? The changes were announced a lot time ago AND we had the whole thread talking first about 1. why IC doesn't need that sort of change (which nobody seems to care about) and 2. Drizzo talking about how miner AI gets confused with the rip time change.

If you haven't made another version, why is there this "two versions of CC_05 floating around"? Who's making the core changes anyway?

Here's what happened:
Andon makes the updates to CC_04, creating the new CC_05I check changes, bring up problems & potential issuesFixes are madeI check the core over again, along with spidey, andon & phoenix1Another issue is raisedThe issue is fixed, the core gets double checked again and cleared for autoupdateThe changelog is released and the community points out the 35s rip time problem.The rip time is reverted to 30sThe core gets sent to TE for AU without anyone saying they checked it, along with the new garrison .cvh
The last two points there are what caused all the confusion. I think the "two versions" issue came from one version of the core being cleared & sent off, but the new one (with the corrected rip time) also had to be sent off. You may blame me for not getting to double check the riptime changes, as that was a change to the core file. I've done some complaining to the rest of the CC team about this already, because I hate dealing with the mess of a buggy update as much as people hate playing on it. In the future we'll be making sure that somebody has checked the core over before its sent off.

QUOTE How the hell can you not know? Aren't there threads for this thing in your private dev forum?![/quote]
Everything's been straightforward and organized in the private forum actually. But there wasn't much mention of the updated garrison, hence why I wasn't sure what was going on with it. Adam finally cleared things up for me:

Adam4 wrote:QUOTE (Adam4 @ May 29 2009, 08:17 PM)It was an issue brought up in the Enforcement Zone. It was decided in the EZ that an updated cvh should be pushed to prevent any claims of cheating by using the base hole.

The CC team hadn't done any testing on the .cvh, probably because it wasn't mentioned anywhere as going in. At least thats why I never checked it - I didn't even know it was going into the update until it had already been done.

QUOTE I agree that TE putting stuff on autoupdate is out of your hands. But aside from that...all work on CC is in your hands. I'm not exactly sure whose hands it is in if it isn't in yours.[/quote]
Andon and I handle all of the actual core work (by that I mean the .igc file and ICE). I double check his work and vice versa, along with any other team members that get around to it. We actually ironed out about a half dozen issues before the core was even considered done. The miscommunication over the miner reversion & unexpected addition of the garrison .cvh is what threw a wrench into this update, hence the current mess.


All that said, I think the whole ordeal has been blown out of proportion. IC becomes unpopular for a couple of days, yeah thats not good but its not like the release crashes the servers either. Mistakes were made, corrections have also been made and Alleg continues. Now stop bickering and go vote on TF.

I'm not blowing it out of proportion...I'm just criticising in the traditional Crono manner. After all not many people immediately jump into a game and start calling the team "dip@#(!s" and "idiots" from the get go. However if you assume from the start that most people are idiots, you'll be right more often than if you start by giving them the benefit of the doubt. Anyone who claims innocence is guilty of wasting my time.

ok well i just finished puking but we on the cc team were never informed about the base change. In fact i didnt even know about it until i saw the thread mentioning it, but that was mainly because i had a huge test in physics and wasnt able to play much for a few days cause i was studying. So stop $#@!ing whining and go command rix exp

Apoch please don't insult us by acting like you're some god core maker.

Crono, shush we have not forgotten about perking giga

When he talks about 2 CC05s floating around he is talking about the one that was in the semi-official ftp for the new core file and the one that Xeretov had hosted in a random location (I think) because he did not know about the ftp. This bit of confusion has been cleared up now, but for the most part this is just new team syndrome.

p.s. Garrison CVH was Feature Not Bug (and I'm not sure anyone knew about it)

DasSmiter wrote:QUOTE (DasSmiter @ May 30 2009, 11:39 AM) the one that Xeretov had hosted in a random location (I think)

Nope, I've only used the FTP so that we avoided just that sort of confusion. I did have one on my site for about half an hour until I cleared up the FTP issue, but that was well before the core was ready for AU and I think Andon is the only one that grabbed it (and then updated the FTP with it).

Sounds to me like the CC team is doing a good job.

Xeretov wrote:QUOTE (Xeretov @ May 30 2009, 11:30 AM) Nope, I've only used the FTP so that we avoided just that sort of confusion. I did have one on my site for about half an hour until I cleared up the FTP issue, but that was well before the core was ready for AU and I think Andon is the only one that grabbed it (and then updated the FTP with it).

Is that a pod in your sig?