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I know Psych but it removes one of IC's unique faction features. The only advantage IC SY now has is a 20% lower cost of ships. Given that IC doesn't have the best econ this is not that great a feature. If I had to SY rush IC wouldn't be my 1st choice, would it be yours?

if i had to SY rush, IC would be my top choice, buying a techbase, and getting another techpath as well as a light SY upgrade? totally worth it. Especially if its something like sup or exp. (exp preferrable).

so you have a good enh tech, as well as capships.

I must be missing something or reaper is just ignoring several posts. In the old sy world IC still had to invest in missile frigates after it bought the sy. (Try it on PC2 or GoD.) So whether you invest in med sy or get a tech base you're really no worse off.

MadAccountant wrote:QUOTE (MadAccountant @ Dec 6 2006, 02:30 PM) I must be missing something or reaper is just ignoring several posts. In the old sy world IC still had to invest in missile frigates after it bought the sy. (Try it on PC2 or GoD.) So whether you invest in med sy or get a tech base you're really no worse off.

Relatively I think they are worse off. If you choose the buy lt sy then buy med sy route then the other factions are better off since they get corvettes plus lt ships to defend their SY and miners vs the omnipresent threat of "kill the SY" or "kill their miners". IC only gets its lt ints in that scenario.

Frankly the LT SY scenario is insane because noone in their right mind would buy such a useless base. You might as well remove it and make a techbase a prereq for a SY and lose the lt SY option because that's what any sane commander should do. Rushing a SY and then upping it for the cost of a tech base is a waste of 1 tech base, the fact that it is an option is quite frankly stupid.

(I'm not ignoring the posts MadA, I just want to stress the stupidity of having the option of a lt SY that noone in their right mind would use).

In short remove the ability to build a sy without a tech base for IC so you don't confuse commanders into buying the SY right off the bat and thus being forced to either buy a tech later to get med sy or wasting 15k on buying med SY that you could have gotten if for free you bought a tech.

They're not worse off. Other factions simply HAVE to buy their tech first.

With IC you can at least buy both bases faster .. subject to money of course. However, while the tech or sy con is en route you can already invest in the other. Other factions have to wait for their tech to build first.

Can IC beat Belters to the sy punch? Perhaps, but that's an econ thing more than anything else.

I've got to completely agree with Grim here. I don't think I've ever seen any commander buy the lt SY upgrade, and because it's IC we have to consider another fact, which is when you buy that other base, not only are you buying the base, but you're buying Mk2 ships as well.

So which would I want? Light SY upgrade for $7500 (I think), or tech base + mk2 ships + lightSY for $8000. Tough decision.

seriously, this is a huge perk, i would love to see it in other factions. In fact i think i shall propose something like that.

HUH? /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" /> What perk?

The only perk is that you can buy both a sy and a tech base at the same time. How often do you have enough cash in the bank at the same time for 2 tech bases?

explain yourself soldier /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

example, I go exp, start whoring with ints, while i use the miner GA's to get more money faster, push a little, then i intrush with my capships. friggin GOLD.

seriously, the reason sy rush FAILS, is because you have no good enh tech if your cash fails.
having a techbase is awesome, both for the enh tech, and the GA's. you buy techbase first, and then instead of adv tech, get SY instead. use your corv's to defend while you cook your medbase, and have you ints continue to harrass them.

with a decent gameplan, and a conservative Vette pilot and some okay ints, you can push cons without much problem at all.

EDIT: have you ever fought a capship with int support? its nasty as hell, the skycaps and missles will kill you at range, and the ints will eat you alive if you close with it.

but IC vettes have the most worthless gunmounts known to man