Vets with Zero rank hider nicks

[Bard]

QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 5 2009, 03:28 PM) I think your asking the wrong question. It should be...

Why should Juckto be forced to link an account he just setup for his friend

Juckto didn't set up an account for his friend's wife. He was playing on her PC and used this:

QUOTE I did not do not want to link this computer to mine as there is a small, but distinct, possibility that Arkof's girlfriend may want to play Allegiance some day.[/quote]

as an excuse.

A *SMALL* possibility that she *MAY* want to play Allegiance *SOME DAY*.

Read that again, thickbrain.

Quit $#@!ing "imagining" what it went like.

We have certain facts. One of them is directly quoted above. Adding crappy speculation to that just turns this into a tempest-in-a-teacup situation. You're not helping effect any sort of change with your approach. Really. Blah Blah Woof Woof.

Go fight the power some other way.

Dare I say it, Crono speaks sense. (I even spelled your nick right for that, Crono. Good post. Don't keep this sort of behavior up or I might change my mind about you.)

QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 6 2009, 11:34 AM) I think there are good ways to solve this issue without banning people.

I would $#@!ing LOVE IT if we could see one of those. Bans suck. Being banned sucks. Even being THREATENED with a ban sucks.
I don't think very highly of you but if you can come up with a good idea, I think people would listen.
How *do* we fix the problem of "games suck"?
What are the good ways that don't involve banning people?

QUOTE You guys have been telling them to play in the main game for years. It hasn't worked.[/quote]

Funny, it seems to have worked pretty well for Rolling Thunder. We placed decently in the squad tourneys both times they've happened so far and we started as a squad FULL of almost nothing but n00bs. n00bs playing in the main game. n00bs who assembled into a squad. A squad that kicked your squad's ass so hard one of your treasured "non-novice"'s whined like a baby and quit. (thankfully, the rest of XT isn't like you OR him) I'd say telling people to play in the main game is working just fine....unless of course all you want is a private party room, in which case the beta server is pretty easy to access and not even protected by ASGS half of the time. Set up a vets game. You'd probably get people joining you if you could organize them all in the same place at the same time. As long as there's a "main" game going on, you probably couldn't even be threatened with Pook's "everyone gets to play" guideline. Doubly so if nobody knows about it except the people you invite.


QUOTE How about we promote the small game instead of the Cluster%$@# that you guys all promote.[/quote]
Most of what I see when I'm on are small games. I log in whenever I can on my @Alleg callsign and what I generally see is everyone sitting in NOAT with 40 people online and we still get a 6 v. 7 game...

[quote=")-->QUOTE ( @ Jan 6 2009, 08:52 PM) If you don't like stacking, fight the stack in the game, not in the forums[/quote]
A-$#@!ing-men.

QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 7 2009, 11:03 AM) you could of had the same experiance learning from an Inter.[/quote]

Only if we want everyone shooting quickfires and making lines of breadcrumb probes like they're pretending to be Theseus in the Minotaur's labyrinth all the damn time.

QUOTE (Ozricosis @ Jan 8 2009, 12:33 PM) This thread sucks.

Ozzy speaks truth.

[quackdamnyou]

The difference is, when MrC threatens to leave, he can't stay gone, because he really and truly loves all that this community could be, and can't bear to leave that future in the hands of the people he disagrees with.

[Your_Persona]

QUOTE (Bard @ Jan 8 2009, 03:20 PM) Quit $#@!ing "imagining" what it went like.

We have certain facts. One of them is directly quoted above. Adding crappy speculation to that just turns this into a tempest-in-a-teacup situation. You're not helping effect any sort of change with your approach. Really. Blah Blah Woof Woof.

BV had none of those facts, which was the whole point of the scenario.
It could of been me or anyone else doing exactly what I 'Imagined' happened. That's half the reason I was so worked up about it. He didn't know the situation at all when he made his decision to ban. The situation was only revealed later, and it happened that BV got lucky that victim wasn't doing exactingly what I had imagined.

QUOTE (Bard @ Jan 8 2009, 03:20 PM) Most of what I see when I'm on are small games. I log in whenever I can on my @Alleg callsign and what I generally see is everyone sitting in NOAT with 40 people online and we still get a 6 v. 7 game...

Ahh.. A testament that the community hates to play crappy games with crappy teams. Maybe if you divide up the skill levels so no one feels like they are joining a crappy team... (Cause its full of newbs?) You would have better games.
Do you even think through the crap your writing? All of your responses, simply prove my points. LMAO. Thanks Bard.

QUOTE (Bard @ Jan 8 2009, 03:20 PM) Only if we want everyone shooting quickfires and making lines of breadcrumb probes like they're pretending to be Theseus in the Minotaur's labyrinth all the damn time.

There.. LOL...
You just admitted that learning by playing on the main server did not produce better players. LOL...
What the heck is your problem. All those Inters learned by playing on the main server, and you say they suck, and you wouldn't want noobs to learn from them..
SO, OBVIOUSLY... starting on the main server as a newb isn't as useful as you ASSUME.

I don't know where your coming from with your attitude. I'm the one that's pissed off remember? Or did you just get pissed of that someone else was pissed off..?
Flamebaiter?

Why don't you find a real position to support before just spewing all over the place.

[Mordechaj]

arguing with you is like arguing with a creationist.
you are not dumb. you just believe in something so strongly, that you twist and interpret data so that it fits your preconcieved notions.

if one reads bard's post, and then your reply - it almost seems as if you don't speak the same language.


but yeah. damned n00bs are killing the game.
if we don't ban them all, i suppose allegiance will die.
F4C3 T3H F4CT5 !!1

[ratak]

I think that the protection system is needed, but I think it needs *something* to impove it... I have some comments about it:

1.- I personally linked My GFs PC some years ago... I bothered a lot of ppl I tried with different admins to unlink it unsuccessfully, the last time TE tried to unlink my account, when I joined again, it were linked again with the old account, I dunno why... TE even yelled at me because he thought I linked those again on purpose, the security system showed that my computer logged in with two different accounts almost at the same time... I got like 5+ pcs linked, 2 of them were sold, to gamers... And pitifully whenever I bought another PC I have to pass the old one to my GF because I don't have trillions of money to buy 2 of them, so I solve 2 renew problems at a time. In result, she can't play on her's and plays in my office's laptop (she is CANETABA2, CANETABA got linked with mine in one of the unlink retries). So in this particular situation, the security system, will never allow my GF or whoever I sold my PC to play allegiance, and I risk that some1 I sold the PC creates a new account and link it with mine spoiling my gameplay.

2.- I got some old friends who don't know about this game, and it's very difficult to show them how to play being in sepparate houses. If they come to my house and play with my account, they will be booted for doing stupid things in games, and If I go to their house.. well.


I don't think that linking our account and bothering the admins later to unlink those it's a straightforward solution. I insist that I know that this kind of security is needed, but at the future it could create more harm than benefit.

[Sushi]

[Sealer]

YP did you play the game in the last year? Recently there was a huge 25v25 4 hour game and although I don´t like 4 hour games it had 2 good commanders and 2 teams that really put up the fight, and, guess what - nobody noticed newbies breaking the game. Seriously, "newbies killing the game" attitude doesn´t quite mirror what is happening in the game.

[Your_Persona]

@Mordechaj

I totally Lol'd

[Your_Persona]

@Sealer
I have, but I'm not a daily or weekly regular like I used to be. I've grown tired of 9/10 games just being pretty crappy. I know there are still good games that happen, which is why 'all' of the vets haven't left yet. But that amount of good games to bad is consistently progressing to favor the bad more and more.

I remember times when skill levels were segregated. It was awesome to finally be ranked skilled enough to play on the Inter server. Then after that is was awesome to finally be ranked skilled enough to play on the Adv server. Stacking was not nearly as big a problem because the players that played with each other usually had similar skill levels. Enough so, that games were almost always close, and there was almost always room for a comeback.
Most of the people here don't remember those times. Most of the people here didn't play allegiance during its prime. The ones that did, will tell you that most games now a days are complete trash in comparison.

I have strong opinions that favor the old AZ style of community. People that played on the FZ only (except the free month on AZ), and people that have joined after the AZ was no longer, do not understand my opinions. Sadly though, I'm vastly out numbered by opinions that disagree with me, but at the same time, and ironically they do not have the experience I do, to backup their current opinions.

This is extremely frustrating, As I know how great this game was, and how it can be. I see it being taken down a path which is tangent to environment which promotes the kind of game play I loved. The current community, and the way it is run is so foreign to classic Allegiance!
So every time I see it slip further away from what It once was, I come out fighting it.
I am 100% opposed to banning that is not directly related to cheating.
I think the current community promotes stacking, by trying to get everyone in a massive game, regardless of skill.
Having half of your team be inept is a sore spot for me. It used to be that the quantity of pilots on your team in a given sector was good tactical information about the defensive or offense power you had their. But with half of your team always being inept, extremely stupid things happen in games that would never of happened, but they do now because you cant trust the people on your team to be competent.

Anyways...

[Sealer]

Thanks for the explanation. Now you actually make sense. Let me chew on it.