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Andon wrote:QUOTE (Andon @ Nov 11 2008, 02:02 PM) Link? Not anymore. Sci-fi channel did have it on their site at one point in time. I did find this: http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7695/800pxbsg2cvn1en3.jpg which put the Galactica as 'Massively huge' size.

Also, the Colonial 1 can fit in, and dock in, the BSG's flight pods.

The Galactica can handle several squadrons of Vipers - It just has never had the chance since the show's timeline to actually carry more than just the squadron/squadron and a half that it seems to have.

Not sure if the 4k/5k mark is correct, but i seem to remember thinking 'That's a BIIIG ship'

The aircraft carrier looks about a quarter of its size, let's say it's a Nimitz class which is about 340m long, that would only make the Galactica 1.3km long then. Which is sorta reasonable I suppose, even if it'd take forever to get from one end to the other.

djrbk wrote:QUOTE (djrbk @ Nov 11 2008, 12:22 PM) Trek has better tech imo.

ie. Tractor beams basically shutting down ships, cloaking, warp speeds, scanners, etc. Trek still has Q for the "undefeatable god" factor, and War would win any ground battle. (especially if they're deploying jedis)

...yep, Star Wars definitely doesn't have any of that, no siree! Have you even watched Star Wars??

QUOTE I think i remember (perhaps in the original series) someone on ST mocking lasers and saying about how much better phasers were. This suggests SW lasers are less powerful than ST phasors.[/quote]

It was an episode of The Next Generation and featured the usual nonsensical Treknobabble that doesn't make any sense, besides, Star Wars don't use lasers, they use blasters. And even if "lasers" were useless in Star Trek, the fact that they mentioned it doesn't suggest @#(! about Star Wars, especially since TOS was made before Star Wars anyway.

CronoDroid wrote:QUOTE (CronoDroid @ Nov 12 2008, 12:16 AM) ...yep, Star Wars definitely doesn't have any of that, no siree! Have you even watched Star Wars??

Never.

Star Wars ships can cloak. There are at least 2 different separate times of cloak. Not only that they can cloak while keeping shields up. Not only that but Star Wars ships can detect cloaked ships. KLT saved himself from a beat down about this by saying AFAIK

Star Wars ships both have the advantage in offensive and defensive firepower as well as industrial capacity.

Generally SW ships put out Gigatonnes on average and some of their small starfighter sized analogues outgun the pride of the Alpha Quadrant Scum.

SW planet killers blow @#(! up through brute force DET work where as the few bs ST ones some sort of inane technobabble.

SW ships traverse the galaxy thousands of times faster than their st scum.

Shields and heavy materials (ship armor) block transporters.

9 Ferangi could not Hijack the flagship of the Empire - the same can not be said for the Federation.

Plasma based sw weaponry cannot be adapted to by the borg since it is not frequency based. Even if they could they have plenty of kinetic alternatives at their disposal that keep those slow shambling zombies at bay.

Also to address madp: SW combat takes place at light second ranges at + light speed velocities. ST takes place at a few thousand kms last I saw (AND THEY STILL MISS SOMEHOW). Make your own assumptions about accuracy

One note about speeds: the combat speeds of ST is significantly faster than the combat speeds of SW.

While it is true that hyperdrive is significantly speedier than warp speed, ships do not fly combat at hyperdrive.

Other than that, ST is hosed, unless we include Q and the Crystaline Entity.

here is the big thing about the ST and SW universes

SW has been at war for a long time, and spent most of that time developing huge weapons of war, for the purpose of war.

ST is following the prime directive, "science" vessels, now keep in mind, there are warships in ST and THOSE might have some chance

Honestly, I used to play a game where ST was vs SW, know what really blew the crap out of ST, the small ships from SW, because you could throw waves of tie bombers at an enterprise class, and it would DECIMATE it, they couldnt shoot them down fast enough, and the proton torps just chewed it to pieces.

Large ship against large ship it was moderately a slugging match, but once I got the bigger ships out, it turned ugly. some of the bulls*** startrek stuff was annoying, but they just couldnt dish out ENOUGH damage.

Also, SW large ships mount 2 cannon types, the Turbolasers, which dish out the main power and IIRC are almost straight energy, and Ioncannons, which potentially would majorly cause trouble for the ST'ers

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Nov 12 2008, 12:49 AM) One note about speeds: the combat speeds of ST is significantly faster than the combat speeds of SW.

While it is true that hyperdrive is significantly speedier than warp speed, ships do not fly combat at hyperdrive.

Other than that, ST is hosed, unless we include Q and the Crystaline Entity.

Wrong. There are noted instances of SW engaging at near light or light speeds. I cant even think of a time we see ST engage at warp speeds. You are correct however that SW does not engage at hyperdrive

Also there is the area of power generation. Small SW ships generate magnitudes more power than their much larger SW equivalents.

To Psy: so true. Ion cannons/Laser cannons/TurboLasers/Capital Class torpedoes/etc etc are all weaponry we see SW caps field. Throw in the extremely active CIWS capability the big ships have and you negate the most damaging weaponry in ST - the torpodeos

Your Star Trek capital ships are insignificant compared to the powerr of the force

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Nov 11 2008, 10:06 PM) Wrong. There are noted instances of SW engaging at near light or light speeds.

When? In fact, I believe the words "sub-light" were used... in the original trilogy. Either that or some other role Harrison Ford did.

QUOTE I cant even think of a time we see ST engage at warp speeds.[/quote]
Lessee, they do it in Enterprise all the time (but they can only fire torpedoes, iirc), the Enterprise D did it multiple times when fleeing from the borg, probably against the crystalline entity and a few others. I kind of pretended Voyager didn't exist, DS9 was on an immobile space station, and the original series I was way too young for.

And I ain't even a trekkie.

Dont get me wrong - I love Star Wars. Sorry - I (a stronger word than love but not worship) Star Wars.

But SW and ST don't have the Space Battleship Yamato. "FIRE THE WAVE MOTION GUN!!!"

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