So admins ban stackers now?

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:58 pm

quackdamnyou wrote:QUOTE (quackdamnyou @ Mar 24 2008, 08:57 AM) And why is this? If everyone were committed to fair play, it would not be an issue.

cause most lesser skilled commanders suck worse than i do at commanding!

I dont want to be flying around in a hvy interceptor without any PW upgrades and no HE3 GAs.

its AGGRAVATING TO NO END.

There are commanders i will fly for even if they are stacked against (like guitar) just because they are good commanders who dont get the lovin they deserve.

Post by **pkk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:10 pm

BeaerSidhe wrote:QUOTE (BeaerSidhe @ Mar 24 2008, 07:57 PM) Joesph1 is a 15. Maybe someone that has come back just recently, or perhaps a name to hide the identify of someone. If it is the first, that's one hell of a "welcome back". 12 weeks 6 days, that account hasn't logged in since.

Nobody knows who he is and nobody saw him before till he was banned for stacking... /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roll:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Kltplzyxm · Post by **Kltplzyxm** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:17 pm

QUOTE (Camaro)And to address your second point, if you get rid of all the top dogfighters, its going to take a long time for anyone to achieve their skills because they will run out of competition much earlier on... which drastically increases the time it takes to get better (playing against people who suck does nothing to help your aim).[/quote]
You make it as if the world is going to end if all the stackers left. Personally, I think things will get even better as the games will be of a higher quality level. There are still plenty of great antistacking whores out there and new ones being born everyday. This kind of Elitist attitude is complete BS to me. People can and will be replaced and life will on without them. Sides, there's plenty of antistacker whores to go around. So stackers, if you want to whine your way out the door, don't let it hit you on the backside.

Cammy wrote:I dont want to be flying around in a hvy interceptor without any PW upgrades and no HE3 GAs.

its AGGRAVATING TO NO END.

Boy... someone is a prima donna. /ninja.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ninja:" border="0" alt="ninja.gif" /> /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Give me anything with 3 mini's and I'm happy. Learn to fly girly boy! /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

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Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:32 pm

Mr. Kltplzyxm wrote:QUOTE (Mr. Kltplzyxm @ Mar 24 2008, 09:17 AM) You make it as if the world is going to end if all the stackers left. Personally, I think things will get even better as the games will be of a higher quality level. There are still plenty of great antistacking whores out there and new ones being born everyday. This kind of Elitist attitude is complete BS to me. People can and will be replaced and life will on without them. Sides, there's plenty of antistacker whores to go around. So stackers, if you want to whine your way out the door, don't let it hit you on the backside.
Boy... someone is a prima donna. /ninja.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ninja:" border="0" alt="ninja.gif" /> /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Well Okay maybe i overstated that a bit. There are good dogfighters that anti-stack. And they dont run away from a fight like most of the stacking ones do.

I'm all for anti-stacking as long as every commander in the game was competent. But sadly that is far from the case. I wouldn't even consider myself a competent commander.

Evincar · Post by **Evincar** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:35 pm

you can never be competent if you don't have a breathing room to understand what's going on (this by personal experience).

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:38 pm

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Mar 24 2008, 03:32 PM) I'm all for anti-stacking as long as every commander in the game was competent. But sadly that is far from the case. I wouldn't even consider myself a competent commander.

Total crap. 90% of vets who've played for a a year would make competent commanders. That doesn't mean they'd be great or could stand toe to toe with the elite comms, but commander skill is way overrated as it relates to team victory in this community. Having even teams is far more important than having an elite commander. Hell, I've seen some supposed uber commanders lose to some of these supposed crappy commanders when the uber commander had a slight stack!

If games were more even more people would command and we'd get better commanders out of the deal to boot. No pun intended /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />

Kltplzyxm · Post by **Kltplzyxm** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:44 pm

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Mar 24 2008, 12:32 PM) I'm all for anti-stacking as long as every commander in the game was competent. But sadly that is far from the case. I wouldn't even consider myself a competent commander.

I think that's changing as we speak. I've noticed quite a few new guys stepping up to comm late nights and some of them aren't half bad. Give them time.

I think one difference between now and the past is that there are alot more people around to nurture folks than in the past. There are certainly more nurturing people out there now than when I started.

The good folks stay, those that don't give a rat's ass tend to leave or not give a damn.

My qualitative proof is the quality of games during late night. We had a streak a couple weeks back where the late night games were simply awesome. Ppl who were there know what I'm talking about. Since then, you could find a decent game once in a while during late night, and I think it's been happening more and more.

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:51 pm

I've read most of the posts in this thread over the last couple of days, but I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already but I've spotted a flaw and it has just occurred to me, so I'll spit it out:

When/If admins ban for stacking, everyone has been posting, arguing, whining (whatever you want to call it) about the two sets of teams compared to each other. However, has anyone taken into account the skills of the two commanders involved, because this is a major factor on stacking and could lead to some unfortunate circumstances whereby anti-stackers are banned for stacking a less experienced comm in favour of a more experienced one in order to try and balance out the game.

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Any thoughts?

Because this would mean that the admins would have to have a rating on each commander and their relative skills, which is impossible unless they've played with each and every one of them for about 3 games or something.

Kltplzyxm · Post by **Kltplzyxm** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:55 pm

I think that gets into being a little too subjective. When stackers appear, it's pretty clear. One side has all the newbs, the other all the vets. A newb jumps in and a vet stacks. No consideration of the comm is needed really. After the 3rd stacker joins, I think it's pretty clear.

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:58 pm

Mr. Kltplzyxm wrote:QUOTE (Mr. Kltplzyxm @ Mar 24 2008, 02:44 PM) My qualitative proof is the quality of games during late night. We had a streak a couple weeks back where the late night games were simply awesome. Ppl who were there know what I'm talking about. Since then, you could find a decent game once in a while during late night, and I think it's been happening more and more.

Fuzz supports this message.

One memorable game from last night was RadarRider@PK commanding /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />.