Vets with Zero rank hider nicks

sambasti · Post by **sambasti** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:32 am

That kind of thing is hillarious, but only for one day. After a while, the stackfest gets insane.

Has anyone noticed that juckto isn't complaining? You do realise that you are creating more drama over somthing that all parties involved in causing have long put behind them. Arguing that this isn't fair to juckto is pretty pointless right now. Especially since the ban is over anyway.

Once again, a method for playing on a friend's computer and showing them the game would be appreciated, but this is a lot of drama for a 3 day ban.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:52 am

I see a bunch of people complaining about stacking... which happens regardless of people being banned for playing under unlinked accounts.

If you don't like stacking, fight the stack in the game, not in the forums - and certainly not by whining until the admins start throwing out bans. There's no good reason (stacking is not) to start banning people playing under a (0), especially when, if asked, they say who they are.

RenegadePeon · Post by **RenegadePeon** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:57 am

Just a quick question I'd liked answered so I can have an opinion on this particular situation:

Can one not log on to their real account from another computer?

If the answer is yes, I cannot see why you would make another account for anything other than to abuse the system. And in that case, the ban is justified.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:50 am

Abuse how? What abuse?

Your_Persona · Post by **Your_Persona** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:39 am

Cookie Monster wrote:QUOTE (Cookie Monster @ Jan 6 2009, 05:16 PM) Again you are missing some key points, yp. You suggestion still only works for about 6 hours of the day, and whilst this may be fine and dandy for the americans, it's going to suck for pretty much everyone else who doesn't play their every single game during those times. I don't know what delusions you have about the alleg community, but we are nowhere near big enough to handle this split.

Perhaps you are right and 30-100 newbs do download this game every day, but there are never more than 10 on at any time except prime time. Newbs are PART of allegiance, they are part of every online multiplayer game that ever existed, this is just something you are going to have to accept. This is what I like the most about Allegiance, that there aren't any stupid levels or items to restrict newbies for months until they have whored the game enough to get the best gear because they have no life, everyone is on an equal footing with the primary difference being the players skill and expertise.

We have been telling newbies to play on the main game for years because it is good advice, it works. What you are missing out is something that you have already mentioned yourself, 30-100 people download this game every day, there is a CONSTANT INFLUX of newbies ad infinitum. What you are proposing is basically "ah we had enough of this, $#@! all the future players of allegiance just so we can have some more fun for a while". The people who run Cadet don't just go "ah screw this, we teach all these cadets but the new applicants are still as dumb as the graduates were when they were new" why? because there is no logic in that! they are different people each session!! Everyone deserves a shot at this game, sure stuff like Cadet is a voluntary bonus provided by the community, but what you propose is deliberately hindering them from gaining skill even if they wont be able to recognise it when they first join.

In fact, you are only going to make the situation worse for yourself in the long run if you bung all the newbies together. Because they will play crap, learn nothing, and inevitably rank up knowing absolutely $#@! all against other newbs (who will be equally clueless) [all the decent inters will inevitably rank up to vets playing against the newbs], and then you're going to find your self in a game full of crap-ass Inter 1's who don't know @#(!, ruining your vet only game because they are still newbs, no matter what their rank says. What are you going to do then? Ban inter's from playing with vets and stick them with the newbs?? It will never end.

Sorry to sound like a whiney bitch, but I didn't expect this from you, yp.

/Sigh...
I simply disagree with every point you made.

I don't think the community is to small to do this. You assume its to small to have two games going most of the time. There may be a few hours when there just simply arnt enought people online to play a game.. that should have no effect on this decision. thats not a flaw in the idea, thats just people not wanting to play during those hours. This decision shouln't be based on the 7 people that play from 4-5 am US time.

I'm not sure what point your trying to make with your paragraph about newbs. I never said I wanted newbs to go away. I said I dont want them in the ADV server when they are freaking newbs.

Newbs playing in the main game / Adv game is a bad idea. It makes gameplay suck for the rest of the players. No one is talking about stopping the cadet program. Just keep newb ranks out of the Adv server.

You assume that newbs cannot learn the game without playing on the ADV server / Main game... I completely disagree. It's not your job to tell them what fun is.. If they have fun learning the teck tree by having cap games. Good for them.. we will have expert cap ship Pilots with ever new newb... wich is alot more then I can say for most of the Inters.

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:49 am

RenegadePeon wrote:QUOTE (RenegadePeon @ Jan 6 2009, 09:57 PM) Just a quick question I'd liked answered so I can have an opinion on this particular situation:

Can one not log on to their real account from another computer?

If the answer is yes, I cannot see why you would make another account for anything other than to abuse the system. And in that case, the ban is justified.

Currently,once you log your nick on to another computer,you then cannot go back and play on the original computer.Your nick can only be linked to one computer at a time.

Paradigm2 · Post by **Paradigm2** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:01 am

I find noobs to be essential to winning a pickup game, as they bother to nan my stuff once I teach them how. Plus, most comms do a good job of keeping the (#s) even. Also, #s are especially willing to follow my right-click commands around the map, making them mobile probes.

I would rather we send the pretentious voobs to the other servers. They are the ones who fly their lt ints to camp an outpost 4 sectors away only to get podded. Then later, they complain to the comm about his "crappy econ" or ask why all their miners are dead. They are the ones who try to solo bomb runs instead of picking up pods, or complain about lack of probing when they haven't flown a scout since the last time they accidently joined giga.

Newbs are usually willing to learn. Keeping them on the main server and teaching them prevents voobs, which is what we should really strive for.

TheCorsair · Post by **TheCorsair** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:13 am

Your_Persona wrote:QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 7 2009, 04:39 PM) /Sigh...
I don't think the community is to small to do this. You assume its to small to have two games going most of the time. There may be a few hours when there just simply arnt enought people online to play a game.. that should have no effect on this decision. thats not a flaw in the idea, thats just people not wanting to play during those hours. This decision shouln't be based on the 7 people that play from 4-5 am US time.

I'm sorry but there are many who can only play at those times (especially during weekdays due to RL) because they are in the southern hemisphere especially, Australians, New Zealanders, Asians. There are more than 7 players online and at least about 7 hours where the US is asleep, but not all players are, there are quite a few US/EU people on which is great. I'd say about 15-20 all up and 10 at the worst. A lot of these players are numbers or inters and to split up the servers in such a way to prevent playing together would not be a good idea at all. Unless of course we still had the option to allow everyone to play.

Furthermore if we want to grow the community of this game, especially for the non US market, we need to allow vets/inters to play with the numbers and teach the game to them during these non peak times. What would grow it even more is a "local server" and more promotion in gamer forums etc to encourage more players.

I'm not sure what the drama is as we already have the option to make the games no novice, many choose not to, certainly wouldn't want it in non peak times as we wouldn't get a game going and to new players the game would look even deader than it does at those times. During peak times you can always make the server no novice.

Bottom line is we must still have the choice.

Your_Persona · Post by **Your_Persona** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:24 am

well.. at any rate.. if this community keeps doing what its always done, then nothing will change.

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:56 am

Your_Persona wrote:QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 7 2009, 05:39 AM) /Sigh...
I simply disagree with every point you made.

I don't think the community is to small to do this. You assume its to small to have two games going most of the time. There may be a few hours when there just simply arnt enought people online to play a game.. that should have no effect on this decision. thats not a flaw in the idea, thats just people not wanting to play during those hours. This decision shouln't be based on the 7 people that play from 4-5 am US time.

I'm not sure what point your trying to make with your paragraph about newbs. I never said I wanted newbs to go away. I said I dont want them in the ADV server when they are freaking newbs.

Newbs playing in the main game / Adv game is a bad idea. It makes gameplay suck for the rest of the players. No one is talking about stopping the cadet program. Just keep newb ranks out of the Adv server.

You assume that newbs cannot learn the game without playing on the ADV server / Main game... I completely disagree. It's not your job to tell them what fun is.. If they have fun learning the teck tree by having cap games. Good for them.. we will have expert cap ship Pilots with ever new newb... wich is alot more then I can say for most of the Inters.

Sure there are enough people to play two games, but firstly you assume that the split would be equal, which it wouldn't be, either the vets or the newbs would be left out in the cold, depending on who the inters decide to join to play. And if there is already a game going with newbies and inters, vets have no chance of getting a game in, hell they can't even go on the server to tell other people that they are going to start a new game, they just have to make their own game and wait till the other servers game finishes and then hope that someone has the sense to check the lobby to see if anyone else is around. Even that is not a guarantee that the vets will get a game.

It's not that newbs cannot learn the game, it's just that they wont. Why should they when it's so much fun to pilot cap ships, let's be honest, which newb gives a crap about cloaking or probing or scouting when there are cap ships and mustangs to be had. And while you may get competent pilots for those ships, they will be useless at pretty much everything else. And they wont be expert capship pilots anyway, because they will have no idea what it is like to play in a big game against lots of other people, and would only expect newb tactics from the other side. And let's be honest, who the hell is going to give these newbs cap ships in a proper game, nobody.

I don't see why we should force people to play separately, there isn't a huge uproar about it, there are already the options to keep vets and newbies out of the game, why not let the community decide how they want to play.