A little more about guns

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:42 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Jan 21 2013, 02:12 PM) But guess what? The gun ban has worked almost perfectly.

Japan is too small for guns, why do you think they have so many swords?

Viscur · Post by **Viscur** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:40 pm

Because your in a minority, whatever thats supposed to mean, doesnt mean you arent able to be racist.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:45 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Jan 20 2013, 10:49 PM) Isn't one of the issues the fear of violence? Which is presumably exacerbated by the prevalence of firearms as they make violence all that much easier. So one of the underlying issues that causes gun problems is guns.

Now I won't pretend that the fear will go away, it's an issue in the UK too where guncrime is negligible, but surely it'd help?

Well... perhaps... but firearms are a bit of a double edged sword... on one hand you can be afraid of them... but on the other hand having your own gives you a bit of peace of mind. For instance, if I was unarmed I might be afraid of burgers breaking into my house and killing me and my family... but with a shotgun nearby... just somehow feel a bit safer... of course... most people lack proper training in such things, and probably don't store their firearms in a biometric safe to keep the kids out... but still, you get my point. Then again, as it has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the amount of firearm deaths due to self defense is pretty small.

I would be highly interested to see how many of them are tied to the drug trade... I imagine it is probably a lot. After all, when the first NFA law was passed in '34 which banned full auto guns, it was because of the mob and prohibition. After prohibition was repealed, the mob lost a lot of their revenue and gun violence subsided... it wasn't the NFA that did it. I wonder how much of that would be applicable today.

SgtMajor · Post by **SgtMajor** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:05 pm

Viscur wrote:QUOTE (Viscur @ Jan 21 2013, 12:40 PM) Because your in a minority, whatever thats supposed to mean, doesnt mean you arent able to be racist.

Mostly white people are the ones calling out racism. It bothers me. This is a fact.

Also you're* that's* doesn't* aren't*. Being a majority doesn't mean you get to $#@! up grammar

And by the way, you don't get to choose to be in a minority, it's something that you are born into

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:53 pm

If a doctor would say:
"I don't cure cancer because in 80% of all cases I will not be successful."
or
"I don't cure cancer because you are going to die anyway, but from a different reason."
then he would follow the "argumentation" I don't understand in this thread and in the gun discussion in general. The whole gun argumentation is a continous row of strawman arguments.

The only possible alternative solution instead of banning guns is mandatory wearing of kevlar burkas ;-)

Viscur · Post by **Viscur** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:43 am

dont forget headshots!

Clearly the only real solution is to have everyone walk around in some kinda mechanical bullet proof suit, or never leave your home and only take in supplies through an airlock.

Adaven · Post by **Adaven** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:59 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Jan 21 2013, 02:45 PM) After all, when the first NFA law was passed in '34 which banned full auto guns...

I'll admit know very little about this, but I'm pretty sure NPR ran a bit last week that to me sounded like the '34 legislation didn't outlaw full auto's, only added registration / licensing requirements, and that the full ban didn't occur until the Reagan administration.

One of you is wrong. I'm too busy/lazy to look up the story I heard atm, but if you are right and have good links to back it up, I'd be willing to spend the time and effort to send them an angry letter for you.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:15 am

Adaven wrote:QUOTE (Adaven @ Jan 21 2013, 03:59 PM) I'll admit know very little about this, but I'm pretty sure NPR ran a bit last week that to me sounded like the '34 legislation didn't outlaw full auto's, only added registration / licensing requirements, and that the full ban didn't occur until the Reagan administration.

One of you is wrong. I'm too busy/lazy to look up the story I heard atm, but if you are right and have good links to back it up, I'd be willing to spend the time and effort to send them an angry letter for you.

Correct. During the Reagan administration they banned the creation of any new full-auto weapons for civilian sales. Existing rifles could be converted to full-auto if you paid all the fees and did all the paperwork prior to Reagan. Currently any of those firearms still in existence are Class 3 firearms and still transferable to civilians. Given the rarity of these, they command a very high price.

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:53 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Jan 21 2013, 07:45 PM) Well... perhaps... but firearms are a bit of a double edged sword... on one hand you can be afraid of them... but on the other hand having your own gives you a bit of peace of mind. For instance, if I was unarmed I might be afraid of burgers breaking into my house and killing me and my family... but with a shotgun nearby... just somehow feel a bit safer... of course... most people lack proper training in such things, and probably don't store their firearms in a biometric safe to keep the kids out... but still, you get my point. Then again, as it has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the amount of firearm deaths due to self defense is pretty small.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who worries about burgers coming into my house at night, I get worried about those looks the Big Mac's give me.

Vortrog · Post by **Vortrog** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:58 am

So thats why I have Mayo on my toothbrush instead of @#(!