Vets with Zero rank hider nicks

Post by **Raveen** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:58 pm

Hmm, fair enough. So what stops them generating another unlinked account and doing it all over again? Apart from maybe a sudden attack of conscience I can't think of anything.

And that's not even touching the stats system issues.

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:09 pm

They could,but I don't want to go into the details of how much hassle that would be and to only get ranked up fast again anyway.(After all in order to own the other newbs,they have to do things that would cause them to rank up faster.)

Your_Persona · Post by **Your_Persona** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:48 pm

wide variety of skill levels playing in the same game is the root problem that encourages stacking.

Telling noob's to play on the main game, just so they learn faster is stupid. It ruins the main game.

No matter how you look at it. Even with lots of noob evenly distributed on both teams. It destroys teamwork. And then the commander is spending half his time making sure some noob doesn't screw the team over.
Noobs in main game = Bad.
Noob's in main game promotes Stacking.

We have some like 30-100 noobs download this game a day. Stop letting them destroy allegiance for the rest of us.

You guys have been telling them to play in the main game for years. It hasn't worked. Stop trying the same thing.
By restricting noobs it gives them better incentive to rank up.

Insaine... is trying the same thing over and over, and expecting different results...

How about we try it the other way now.

The community is plenty big to run multiple games at a time. Server max in FZ used to be 20vs20. People played 10vs10 and 5vs5 all the time.

How about we promote the small game instead of the Cluster%$@# that you guys all promote.

GOATPORN · Post by **GOATPORN** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:20 pm

No more ayre10 on main till he ranks up? One less person to boot :'( IMO it would suck, imagine never seeing a newbie ram an asteroid, or spam for bbrs, oh this is too much for me... *bursts out crying*

If you get rid of novices people would still (be able to) stack. As for teamwork... squadgames?

[insert anger causing comments about israel, iraq, sexism, and cola vs pepsi]

more drama please

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:30 pm

I believe the main reason for stacking is that no one wants to play and lose.This game is very much like real warfare.And if you study that,you'll see that the most popular/successful commanders attract the better soldiers which in turn causes said commander to become even more popular/successful.Most vets don't want to anti-stack just to do all the work while everyone else is doing stupid things including the commander.In real war that is the equivalent of suicide.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:39 pm

Your_Persona wrote:QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 7 2009, 12:48 AM) Telling noob's to play on the main game, just so they learn faster is stupid. It ruins the main game.

This is patently rediculous. A few 0...4 people playing on the main server ruins nothing, and lets them see how the game is really played, unlike in playing in a newbie server would.

Also the correct term is newb, unless you are enough of an elitist to call all new players noobs. A bit of a freudian slip maybe.

Youngmoose · Post by **Youngmoose** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:41 pm

I for one would like to see an experiment:

Eliminate the leaderboard and visible numbers for one week. Now would be a great time with all the new hiders. See how it affects game play. It seems to me that HELO is getting to be far more trouble than it's worth.

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:16 am

Your_Persona wrote:QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 6 2009, 10:48 PM) wide variety of skill levels playing in the same game is the root problem that encourages stacking.

Telling noob's to play on the main game, just so they learn faster is stupid. It ruins the main game.

No matter how you look at it. Even with lots of noob evenly distributed on both teams. It destroys teamwork. And then the commander is spending half his time making sure some noob doesn't screw the team over.
Noobs in main game = Bad.
Noob's in main game promotes Stacking.

We have some like 30-100 noobs download this game a day. Stop letting them destroy allegiance for the rest of us.

You guys have been telling them to play in the main game for years. It hasn't worked. Stop trying the same thing.
By restricting noobs it gives them better incentive to rank up.

Insaine... is trying the same thing over and over, and expecting different results...

How about we try it the other way now.

The community is plenty big to run multiple games at a time. Server max in FZ used to be 20vs20. People played 10vs10 and 5vs5 all the time.

How about we promote the small game instead of the Cluster%$@# that you guys all promote.

Again you are missing some key points, yp. You suggestion still only works for about 6 hours of the day, and whilst this may be fine and dandy for the americans, it's going to suck for pretty much everyone else who doesn't play their every single game during those times. I don't know what delusions you have about the alleg community, but we are nowhere near big enough to handle this split.

Perhaps you are right and 30-100 newbs do download this game every day, but there are never more than 10 on at any time except prime time. Newbs are PART of allegiance, they are part of every online multiplayer game that ever existed, this is just something you are going to have to accept. This is what I like the most about Allegiance, that there aren't any stupid levels or items to restrict newbies for months until they have whored the game enough to get the best gear because they have no life, everyone is on an equal footing with the primary difference being the players skill and expertise.

We have been telling newbies to play on the main game for years because it is good advice, it works. What you are missing out is something that you have already mentioned yourself, 30-100 people download this game every day, there is a CONSTANT INFLUX of newbies ad infinitum. What you are proposing is basically "ah we had enough of this, $#@! all the future players of allegiance just so we can have some more fun for a while". The people who run Cadet don't just go "ah screw this, we teach all these cadets but the new applicants are still as dumb as the graduates were when they were new" why? because there is no logic in that! they are different people each session!! Everyone deserves a shot at this game, sure stuff like Cadet is a voluntary bonus provided by the community, but what you propose is deliberately hindering them from gaining skill even if they wont be able to recognise it when they first join.

In fact, you are only going to make the situation worse for yourself in the long run if you bung all the newbies together. Because they will play crap, learn nothing, and inevitably rank up knowing absolutely $#@! all against other newbs (who will be equally clueless) [all the decent inters will inevitably rank up to vets playing against the newbs], and then you're going to find your self in a game full of crap-ass Inter 1's who don't know @#(!, ruining your vet only game because they are still newbs, no matter what their rank says. What are you going to do then? Ban inter's from playing with vets and stick them with the newbs?? It will never end.

Sorry to sound like a whiney bitch, but I didn't expect this from you, yp.

quackdamnyou · Post by **quackdamnyou** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:04 am

Your_Persona wrote:QUOTE (Your_Persona @ Jan 5 2009, 01:28 PM) I think your asking the wrong question. It should be...

Why should Juckto be forced to link an account he just setup for his friend, so they could play together, simply because Juckto wanted to show his friend how to play?

Okay, so you're dodging my point. But I'm game.

QUOTE ---
I imagine it went something like this...[/quote]

No it didn't:

QUOTE (juckto)I did not do not want to link this computer to mine as there is a small, but distinct, possibility that Arkof's girlfriend may want to play Allegiance some day.[/quote]

She was not hovering over his shoulder.

Besides which, even given the hypothetical scenario you present, it would take a lot more than a five minute demo session for something like this to come to BV's attention. My guess is at least one entire game. Anything less might raise eyebrows but despite the characterization some would like to make BV is a very patient and carefully considering guy. So if you're demoing to your friend, you create him an account and then make him watch you for an hour while you play an entire game, you're an ass and deserve to get caught.

You would be better off to teach your friend to probe and nan anyway

TurkeyXIII · Post by **TurkeyXIII** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:17 am

Youngmoose wrote:QUOTE (Youngmoose @ Jan 7 2009, 10:41 AM) I for one would like to see an experiment:

Eliminate the leaderboard and visible numbers for one week. Now would be a great time with all the new hiders. See how it affects game play. It seems to me that HELO is getting to be far more trouble than it's worth.

Did you play on April the first last year?