Donald Trump

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:25 pm

agreed nix

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu May 11, 2017 6:28 pm

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/11/527950704/tr...ontent=20170511

Christ almighty.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Thu May 11, 2017 11:27 pm

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ May 11 2017, 10:01 AM) is there any reason they shouldn't be taxed like any other corporation?

Not all corporations are taxed alike, or at all for that matter. 501©(3) covers a broad range of tax-exempt organizations, not just churches. If you want to get rid of 501©(3) tax-exempt status completely, that's fine, but it'll affect philanthropic, scientific, and educational non-profits too.

I'm not aware of the ACLU's position on the Johnson amendment, but if you've accurately described it, then I would disagree. For me, it's not "501©(3) organizations are not allowed to say certain things". It's "organizations that say certain things are not allowed to be 501©(3) corporations". The Constitution guarantees free speech, not a free soapbox, and tax-exempt status is a soapbox.

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri May 12, 2017 5:31 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ May 11 2017, 04:27 PM) Not all corporations are taxed alike, or at all for that matter. 501©(3) covers a broad range of tax-exempt organizations, not just churches. If you want to get rid of 501©(3) tax-exempt status completely, that's fine, but it'll affect philanthropic, scientific, and educational non-profits too.

I'm not aware of the ACLU's position on the Johnson amendment, but if you've accurately described it, then I would disagree. For me, it's not "501©(3) organizations are not allowed to say certain things". It's "organizations that say certain things are not allowed to be 501©(3) corporations". The Constitution guarantees free speech, not a free soapbox, and tax-exempt status is a soapbox.

You missed the actual point I was making: churches shouldn't be 501c3.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/0...;source=copyurl

Time to impeach.

Post by **Papsmear** » Fri May 12, 2017 1:25 pm

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ May 12 2017, 01:31 AM) Time to impeach.

Unless the Democrats retake the House, I would be surprised if that ever happens.

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri May 12, 2017 2:31 pm

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ May 12 2017, 06:25 AM) Unless the Democrats retake the House, I would be surprised if that ever happens.

Based on the @#(! I'm hearing from the various intelligence communities... I wouldn't be that surprised. I could see lots of Republicans wanting to oust Trump in favor of Pence to look good to their voters: "Look, we have a constitutional means to get rid of a criminal president, and we replaced him with a better conservative."

Globemaster_III · Post by **Globemaster_III** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:10 pm

I am still study Roman Catholic and practices
I've enter with the open mind and i have learn a lot

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:20 pm

Globemaster_III wrote:QUOTE (Globemaster_III @ May 12 2017, 11:10 AM) I am still study Roman Catholic and practices
I've enter with the open mind and i have learn a lot

Does that mean you are a pedophile?

Post by **MagisterXF94** » Fri May 12, 2017 3:25 pm

Globemaster_III wrote:QUOTE (Globemaster_III @ May 12 2017, 05:10 PM) I am still study Roman Catholic and practices
I've enter with the open mind and i have learn a lot

I'd rather have you study Kemalism and secularism than Roman catholicism.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:34 pm

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ May 11 2017, 10:31 PM) You missed the actual point I was making: churches shouldn't be 501c3.

No, I didn't miss it, I just was saying your framing is wrong. "Taxed like any other corporation" makes it sounds like churches are uniquely the only sort of organization that doesn't get taxed.

Personally I don't have a problem with them. They're mostly just social clubs, most of them at least make some pretense of trying to make folks better people and the world a better place (among other random @#(!), and some run food banks, charities, etc. So long as they stay away from being political parties in disguise, I'm fine with not taxing them; it's not like it would really make a difference in state budgets anyways.