Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:39 am
what juckto said too, i dont see much of a difference anyway
btw:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nation...bUAL_story.html
btw:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nation...bUAL_story.html
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:49 am
At least you can legally kill ppl.
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:32 am
The US military only kills people who aren't nice? Only nice people deserve trials? The amount of money spent on killing some dude is an indictment against him? If I win ten million dollars in a lottery tomorrow and use all of it to hire someone to kill you, would the money I spent make it okay?Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Sep 30 2011, 10:56 PM) i think if the us military dropped a 10 million dollar missile on him with a couple of 40 million dollar uav drones chances are pretty good he wasnt a nice guy
Most importantly, why aren't taxpayers out in force protesting Big Government using tens of millions of dollars of their money just to kill one dude?
I think this should be left to the Free Market, it could probably kill dozens of people for that amount.Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:38 am
because he was a middle management terrorist who most americans knew nothing about
the funny thing is that he gained more relevance in terms of the al-qaeda brand of islamic fundamentalism because of the immense recognition and high value placed upon him by the united states, even though he really wasn't all that important to begin with.
the funny thing is that he gained more relevance in terms of the al-qaeda brand of islamic fundamentalism because of the immense recognition and high value placed upon him by the united states, even though he really wasn't all that important to begin with.
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:42 am
QUOTE But it's okay for your government to assassinate non-American citizens whenever you feel like it?[/quote]
Talk about putting words in my mouth, dayum!
QUOTE what juckto said too, i dont see much of a difference anyway
btw:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nation...bUAL_story.html[/quote]
So the Government wrote itself a memo saying that what it did was okay? Just what kind of scam are people getting fleeced by here? Since when does the current $#@!ing opinion of the Department of Justice matter in the face of settled supreme court opinions, and clear-cut constitutional law?
I'll have to remember that next time i get a ticket, ill just show the cop the memorandum i wrote.
Talk about putting words in my mouth, dayum!
QUOTE what juckto said too, i dont see much of a difference anyway
btw:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nation...bUAL_story.html[/quote]
So the Government wrote itself a memo saying that what it did was okay? Just what kind of scam are people getting fleeced by here? Since when does the current $#@!ing opinion of the Department of Justice matter in the face of settled supreme court opinions, and clear-cut constitutional law?
I'll have to remember that next time i get a ticket, ill just show the cop the memorandum i wrote.
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:44 am
That's all I needed to hear -- forget everything I said, this strike was fully justified.NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Oct 1 2011, 12:38 AM) because he was a middle management...
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:49 am
To quote the greatest movie ever,
"I'm all broken up about that man's rights."
"I'm all broken up about that man's rights."
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:53 am
i never said anything about whether the strike was or wasn't justified from a legal perspective! i merely implied that it was foolish from a counterterrorism perspective as killing him increased his relevance, given how much al qaeda loves their martyrs
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:04 am
I really just wanted to make a stupid joke about middle managers.
Honestly, do I care that the U.S. military killed some terrorist dude? I probably should, but, um, not particularly. Was it a smart tactical move? Probably not. Was it legal? Probably not. Was it moral? Questionable at best. How many other deaths caused directly or indirectly by the U.S. government can such questions be asked about? Probably very many. Is the world a better place for having lost some of people the U.S. government has killed? It's scary to say so, but almost certainly yes. Would the world be a better place if governments didn't randomly kill people without some legal process? It's scary you have to say so, but almost certainly yes. Is it scary to live in a world where the shining beacon of freedom and democracy is a country that kills people in morally questionable ways and then tries to make it sound o.k.? Yep. Is it scary to live in a world where there are religious fanatics who want to blow up buildings full of reasonably innocent civilians just to make a point? Yep. I mean, I know cynicism is just the lazy and easy way out... But it's kind of hard to avoid, sometimes.
The only thing that really bothers me is people jumping to the defence of this and that, trying to make morally ambiguous things sound moral and good and right, I guess. Governments will always do immoral things, there's no avoiding it. But I think it's important to criticize such actions as much as possible, because if you get lazy about that, they'll become more and more acceptable. Give a finger and lose an arm, or something like that. Even if they dropped a bomb on Adolf Hitler II, it should worry you at least a little if they bent a few too many rules in order to do so.
Honestly, do I care that the U.S. military killed some terrorist dude? I probably should, but, um, not particularly. Was it a smart tactical move? Probably not. Was it legal? Probably not. Was it moral? Questionable at best. How many other deaths caused directly or indirectly by the U.S. government can such questions be asked about? Probably very many. Is the world a better place for having lost some of people the U.S. government has killed? It's scary to say so, but almost certainly yes. Would the world be a better place if governments didn't randomly kill people without some legal process? It's scary you have to say so, but almost certainly yes. Is it scary to live in a world where the shining beacon of freedom and democracy is a country that kills people in morally questionable ways and then tries to make it sound o.k.? Yep. Is it scary to live in a world where there are religious fanatics who want to blow up buildings full of reasonably innocent civilians just to make a point? Yep. I mean, I know cynicism is just the lazy and easy way out... But it's kind of hard to avoid, sometimes.
The only thing that really bothers me is people jumping to the defence of this and that, trying to make morally ambiguous things sound moral and good and right, I guess. Governments will always do immoral things, there's no avoiding it. But I think it's important to criticize such actions as much as possible, because if you get lazy about that, they'll become more and more acceptable. Give a finger and lose an arm, or something like that. Even if they dropped a bomb on Adolf Hitler II, it should worry you at least a little if they bent a few too many rules in order to do so.
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:05 am
We killed him because of something he knew, or was planning, or was representing.
In truth he was probably feeding information to the CIA or something and then we needed to sever ties.
You don't spend 40million to kill a guy unless he poses a significant threat. His threat was likely not in the form of his ability to produce a significant armed threat, but rather what he knew.
In truth he was probably feeding information to the CIA or something and then we needed to sever ties.
You don't spend 40million to kill a guy unless he poses a significant threat. His threat was likely not in the form of his ability to produce a significant armed threat, but rather what he knew.