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Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Aug 21 2011, 09:47 PM) Fine, let Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, WHOEVER do whatever they want to intervene. All I'm saying is that the United States of America should butt out of others politics and tend to our own issues at home. While we are at it we should bring our troops home and close our overseas military bases.

Thats a little knee-jerk, but i agree with the fundamentals to a point. I think its perfectly reasonable to cut the military budget by half, and stick that money into social programs like education. We could provide free college education, revamp the school system, fully fund social programs for the poor, more incentives for businesses to keep jobs in the country etc.

germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Aug 21 2011, 09:42 PM) Thats a little knee-jerk, but i agree with the fundamentals to a point. I think its perfectly reasonable to cut the military budget by half, and stick that money into social programs like education. We could provide free college education, revamp the school system, fully fund social programs for the poor, more incentives for businesses to keep jobs in the country etc.

Cutting the military budget in half would be a nice down payment on a balanced budget... but it would still not give us playing money. Also education is not supposed to be the domain of the Federal government. Basically all social programs should be ran by the states in my opinion. The federal government should only exist to provide defense and standardize interstate trade... and ensure the Constitution is being followed of course.


The States should be left to run their own Medicare and Social Security programs... if they so choose to...

edit: n/m its about Libya nd I'll not derail things

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Aug 22 2011, 03:10 AM) dunno about the rest of you all but I don't much care about this considering the state of my own country.

That's just it. My father always told me to look after no1 before looking after someone else.

In other words, make sure you CAN help other people before doing it. If you lose out too much in the process, you won't be in the position to help anyone else ever again and you can almost guarantee 90% of the people you helped either a) can't help you or b) won't help you.

Luckily I think the UK and US are in this together and I'm all for Americans putting their heads together and stopping their country imploding as I don't want to see what would happen if you guys fall from grace....

edit: I hope Libya is OK and works out but my point still stands.

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Aug 22 2011, 07:47 AM) Fine, let Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, WHOEVER do whatever they want to intervene. All I'm saying is that the United States of America should butt out of others politics and tend to our own issues at home. While we are at it we should bring our troops home and close our overseas military bases.

I agree with Camaro. EUs back yard, EU's problem. France and UK were the most hawkish for intervention. All the US needed to do was not veto things in the security council, and maybe help pressure Russia and China. You guys had your hands full in Afghanistan already.

Well done rebels, btw. Good riddance to crazy dictator. I hope Assad goes next. There's even promising popular protests in Isreal. Maybe they'll get a sane government for a change as well.

yeah seriously spidey

how about that bank of america?

Now EU has an Afghanistan/Iraq of its own.
I hope it chokes on it

Poor Libyans, they should have donated oil to EU, but I'm not sure if even that would stop EU from "helping" them.

Poor oppressed Libyan people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya) :

"Libya's higher education is mostly financed by the public budget, although a small number of private institutions has been given accreditation lately. In 1998 the budget allocated for education represented 38.2% of the national budget"
"Today, high oil revenues and a small population give Libya one of the highest GDPs per capita in Africa and have allowed the Libyan state to provide an extensive level of social security, particularly in the fields of housing and education"
"Climatic conditions and poor soils severely limit agricultural output, and Libya imports about 75% of its food.[189] Water is also a problem, with some 28% of the population not having access to safe drinking water in 2000.[193] The Great Manmade River project is tapping into vast underground aquifers of fresh water discovered during the quest for oil, and is intended to improve the country's agricultural output."

I'm pasting this for reference to see how much free water, healthcare and education will people get when EUs rebels ad corporations take control.

Edit:TyPoS

Looks like Gaddafi had at least one fan.

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Aug 21 2011, 11:10 PM) dunno about the rest of you all but I don't much care about this considering the state of my own country.

this, with the added caveat that higher oil prices are not helping matters so I care to that extent. BUT I would not want our troops to get involved in this nonsense just for that reason.

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Aug 22 2011, 04:42 PM) Looks like Gaddafi had at least one fan.

Nah I'm just anti war.
Gadaffi financed terrorists in my country so I can't say I'm his fan.


Every war has 2 sides, and neither one is good, that's all I say. We should be aware of both.