August 11 GOP Debate

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:40 pm

The United States is a very diverse place. I am not speaking with any experience, but I get the feeling that many european countries, being smaller, have debate on the local levels that reflects that of the national level.

I can tell you though that being from New York/New Jersey, we are of completely different ideology than those from the midwest and south. Sure, we have democrats and republicans... but the divide is largely determined by fiscal policy with social policy never taking the limelight unless its a progressive movement (gay marriage, etc).

I say this all because I get a feeling that many nations around the world look in on the United States and see certain celebrity figures like Sarah Palin, and many people may think that she is in some way representative of certain Americans everywhere. I can not name a single person that I know who would strongly support Sarah Palin, and I can name them left and right who think that she is an incompetent grandstanding fool. On the other hand, places like West Virginia and Mississippi like Sarah even more than Alaska does (which is not very much, anymore.)

There are those who are "conservative" in the United States. There are those that will only support moralist politicians, and its a sad fact that many otherwise good politicians need to compete for these votes in order to remain in contention. That does not mean these beliefs are widely accepted by many of the inhabitants of the US, mainstream, or otherwise... just that there are certain voting demographics who hold these beliefs that swing elections this way or the other.

Sarah Palin is like an American version of Enoch Powell. Both were catapulted into fame and notoriety for their outspoken beliefs, which gave voice to a previously unheard and somewhat a-political demographic. Both had their political careers ruined for doing so. Instead of being representative of the "elitist and assaulted" racialists of the UK, Sarah is representative of the "simpler and moralist" evangelists and country-folk of the US.

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:05 pm

Hell I've lived in this country all my days and in a number of states for years at a time and I was SHOCKED to see how conservative parts of California are given the general opinion of "Californians". Not to say that liberal agendas and we-know-what-is-best-for-you doesn't move their politics, it does, just how small of a majority it is or how concentrated the POV is was the eye opening moment for me

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:03 am

California spans from rabid liberals to rabid conservatives.

That is why calls to split California up into two states comes up a lot.

The split is about 35/65... and its a deep split.

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:40 am

As a voob it was closer then that Cammie you defeatest you

SoCal up through the mountains in lala land and just past the sea in Navytown through fab-u-lous land to the north is the 800 lb weepy eyed, wombat in your politics

edit: somehow I forgot the land that is actually SoCal=like but resents being called it