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girlyboy wrote:QUOTE (girlyboy @ May 2 2011, 11:41 PM) On that note, it's also silly that the Conservatives will win a strong majority when 60% of the population doesn't want them in power. When significantly more people want you out of power than in power, it shouldn't add up to a strong mandate, dammit. Curse you, electoral system!

Vote STV. Vote for a voting system that makes sense.

LANS wrote:QUOTE (LANS @ May 2 2011, 11:49 PM) Vote STV. Vote for a voting system that makes sense.

I'd vote for a pie eating contest if it'd replace FPTP.

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ May 3 2011, 04:06 AM) Would this be an opportune government for the US to annex some land?

Bring it on bitches, we'll kick your asses like we did the last two times ya tried.




Green party leader is elected.

Bloc crushed 2-3 seats, leader resigns and loses his seat.

Liberals 32-36 seats, leader vows to go after he loses his seat.

New Democrat party over 100 seats, official opposition, huge kick-ass-ness.

Conservative majority with around 160 seats, Harper still to gloat.



So yes, it'll hurt for 4 years of stupidity with the Consservatives but after that it'll be either a Conservative (small) minority or a Liberal or New Democrat (small minority or coallition), Bloc will get back to 10-20 seats.

STV would rock, but almost impossible to get 2/3 of the provinces with 2/3 of the ridings with at least Quebec or Ontario to be able to get any electoral reform. Here's hoping. Oh, but to get that even to start to happen won't happen with the Conservatives in power, so we're looking at 2016-2020 *if* there's a huge push by other parties to make it happen.

RoyBrown wrote:QUOTE (RoyBrown @ May 2 2011, 07:23 PM) Bring it on bitches, we'll kick your asses like we did the last two times ya tried.

I believe the last two times we tried you were a part of the British Empire.

Your Queen won't save you this time!

Whoa, whoa, wait...what?

Canadians just elected a Conservative majority and the NDP are in as Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition??!?!?

The Liberals are in an unprecedented third place?!?

Not only that, the Bloc Quebecois have been DECIMATED, down from 50 to 3 seats?!?!?!?!?!

So, basically Canada is more polarized than they have been in AGES, largely splitting into right and left camps and abandoning the center.

It'll be interesting to see what this means for the Quebec Separatists...

Sooo, this election result has me pleased in virtually every possible facet.

- No more minority government.
- Bloq getting eliminated, Duceppe stepping down.
- Liberals getting crushed/in a coma, Ignatieff losing his seat by over 5%.
- Green getting a seat (mehn, but still cool)
- NDP getting a shot at the opposition, changing poltics some more, while having less power.

Oh yeah, and Cam, you're an idiot. stfu & gtfo. thx.

Bard wrote:QUOTE (Bard @ May 3 2011, 03:12 AM) So, basically Canada is more polarized than they have been in AGES, largely splitting into right and left camps and abandoning the center.

On the face of it, you'd think so, but basically the Liberals and Bloc supporters just went with the NDP. Overall, the CPC actually grew their popular vote by a few percentage points, but those folks who traditionally voted Liberal or Bloc shifted their votes to the NDP. I wouldn't really call it a polarization. The Bloc and Liberals tend to have the NDP as their second choice (although there is a right-leaning contingent amongst the Liberals, too.) The Libs had a very poor leader and that left a vacuum - particularly in Quebec where they couldn't vote for Liberals or the BQ, leaving just the NDP as a second choice. It's not exactly a permanent shift.

As a side note, I think the Green Party (although having won their first seat) actually lost voter support overall. They were the recipients of the protest vote last time and it looks like the NDP got them this time.

The NDP will be in for interesting times. The bulk of their seats are coming from Quebec and as far as I know, these people are total noobs in the political arena. (not even a history of running for mayor or city council, etc.) so it remains to be seen if they can put together a reasonable shadow cabinet with brains behind it, or become mere puppets to the party policy wonks. (As an example, there's one candidate that threw her hat into the ring, then went off to Vegas for her planned vacation when the writ was dropped - obviously not expecting to be able to seriously compete in the election.)

The basics of it are the Layton speaks French well, he's upbeat, friendly, and supportive of French issues.

The people that voted for the NDs in Quebec aren't federalists all, and the BQ will be back though I doubt it'll get back to it's former "glory" anytime soon. The Conservatives primarily gained a small majority by having the vote split in certain ridings and that maininly in Ontario, having said that they are slightly more popular- or are they, many people that are small L liberals voted Conservative in a bizzare attempt to top the NDs from gaining too much ground.

Keep in mind that the next election, by law in four years unless Harper massively screws up (a possibility though remote) is that there are also 21 more ridings being added to Ontario (advantage Liberal I'd say though it'll be marginal), 7 more in BC, (probably another Green, 1-2 Liberals and 1-2 NDs and the Conservatives what's left), and 6 more in Alberta (5-6 of those Conservative).


The Greens mainly lost support for two reasons, being blocked from the national debates by scum sucking network pigs that deserve to be rapped by diseased camels, and that much of their support went to the NDs to catch the wave- in fairness most of the Green vote that switch over is probably in ridings where it didn't matter (much), and probably will switch back unless there is an ND incombant.

The Libs had huge failure after Cretin-head, Martin was a tired used up politician (seemingly) then Dion had some very good ideas but frankly was a total lame duck that spoke worse then Cretin-head, and then there was ignat- who while probably is a really great Canadian that just came across as if he wasn't Canadian. Plus of course the Conservative attack ads, being mean works and I blame you Americans for infecting mr.cuddly harper (hah!).


As to that ND candidate that went on vacation, I believe (not sure) it was a guy, from a blue coller working family that planed (and booked and paid) for their family vacation months before the writ was dropped (and was only gone a less than a week iirc). There is enough skill in the NDs to be able to train up them rookies, have no fear.