Defects on leaderboard

[notjarvis]

QUOTE (Malicious Wraith @ Aug 26 2010, 09:40 PM) I love stupid people.

Read the OP, he is saying there are 2 defects for every defect. That means that in his pretend scenario of 20 defects, you would multiply the number of real defects by 2 to find the number of listed defects.

10 wins, 10 losses. Irrelevant. What really matters is that their was a defect each round. That would mean 40 defects.

Unless you mean to say that the GAMES were counted twice, and in actuality there was only 5 games played, each was (won and lost) due to the defect, and in that instance it would be 10 defects with 5 games played. But that is an even faultier system.

Nope I must be stupid.
In the hypothetical scenario

There were only 10 games of allegiance played. In each game you defected once. These Defects appear to be counted twice - so 20 go on the record.
You also get a win and a loss on your record for each game (as both count).

So
W = 10
L = 10
Defects = 20

I still have no idea where you get 40 from

[madpeople]

I'm not sure if MW is trolling or is actually this stupid. I'm going to break it down for him since if he's trolling it won't harm to patronise him, and if he just fails to understand basic maths then it will educate him (hopefully).

QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Aug 26 2010, 12:39 PM) if you defect then it counts as a win & a loss on your record

1) If you swap sides in a game, your stats record 1 win and 1 loss as you both won and lost because you were on both teams in one game.
QUOTE For example, if you played in 10 games and defected every time[/quote]
2) play 10 games, defect each time - 10 games played, 10 times you switched sides (we can quickly skip to the end here - 10 defections, system records two defections because you defect from both sides = 20 defections recorded from 10 games)
QUOTE your record would read 10 wins, 10 losses[/quote]
3) 10 wins and 10 losses from playing 10 games - you played on both sides and thus both won and lost each game.
QUOTE 20 defects - or in other words, that you have defected 100% of the time, which is correct.[/quote]
4) 20 defects recorded which matches up with the 10 wins + 10 losses = 20 games recorded and 20 defections, even though you only actually played 10 games and defected 10 times.

So if you play 10 games and change sides in each of those to games (point 2), the system will record 10 wins and 10 losses (point 3) because of point 1. The system records twice the number of defects as number of games you played wher you defected (10 games played, 20 defections recorded), which matches up with the wins and losses - 10 games played 10 times you switched teams = 100% defection rate, 10 wins+10 losses = 20 games recorded with 20 defections recorded = 100% defection rate.

I actually think mw failed to read the line above point 2. That only 10 games were played by the player (hence 40 recorded defections would mean the system recording 4 defections for a player swapping teams once).

[Malicious Wraith]

10 games played =/= 20 games played.

Durr.

If you wish to calculate it as 10 games played, then you need to state 10 games played.

[madpeople]

QUOTE (Malicious Wraith @ Aug 26 2010, 10:49 PM) 10 games played =/= 20 games played.

Durr.

If you wish to calculate it as 10 games played, then you need to state 10 games played.

Your level of fail is most epic, enough for me to lol a bit after reading your post

QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Aug 26 2010, 12:39 PM) For example, if you played in 10 games

QUOTE (FIZ @ Aug 26 2010, 09:44 PM) 10 wins and 10 losses out of 10 games played genius.

QUOTE (notjarvis @ Aug 26 2010, 10:16 PM) There were only 10 games of allegiance playe

This one was already bold so no highlighting needed

QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 26 2010, 10:20 PM) 2) play 10 games, defect each time - 10 games played, 10 times you switched sides (we can quickly skip to the end here - 10 defections, system records two defections because you defect from both sides = 20 defections recorded from 10 games)

3) 10 wins and 10 losses from playing 10 games - you played on both sides and thus both won and lost each game.

4) 20 defects recorded which matches up with the 10 wins + 10 losses = 20 games recorded and 20 defections, even though you only actually played 10 games and defected 10 times.

So if you play 10 games and change sides in each of those to games (point 2), the system will record 10 wins and 10 losses (point 3) because of point 1. The system records twice the number of defects as number of games you played wher you defected (10 games played, 20 defections recorded), which matches up with the wins and losses - 10 games played 10 times you switched teams = 100% defection rate, 10 wins+10 losses = 20 games recorded with 20 defections recorded = 100% defection rate.

I actually think mw failed to read the line above point 2. That only 10 games were played by the player (hence 40 recorded defections would mean the system recording 4 defections for a player swapping teams once).

madpeople eagerly looks forward to how mw will dig an even deeper hole for him self with his next post

[TheDevil]

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Is there any point to the Draw and cmd Draw columns? I fail to see why they are there its all 0s anyway unless we suddely decide to count draw in the leader board I say remove it.
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[Hellsyng]

Lmao I hope MW just trolled all of you. Otherwise I am disappoint.

[Adept]

I noticed this a long time ago, but didn't want to meke much noise about it. Basically, the way defects are handled is a bit broken.

In my opinion, if you defect you should never get any Mu shift from what happens after the defect. When you change sides you bring information you shouldn't have, even if you only use it yourself. I'd make the Allegskill discard all data for the time you play after the defection, and only take your time on the original side into consideration. There's no way to get useful data from treating time before defection and post defection as having the same value.

Additionally it really is broken. The Mu shift is a works weirdly in a complex way (I've talked about it with Baker and won't try to write it again here) and kills & ejects aren't calculated correctly.

I'd probably just disallow defects all together if it was up to me. It's a stupid option and leads to exploits.

[Malicious Wraith]

QUOTE (Hellsyng @ Aug 26 2010, 09:56 PM) Lmao I hope MW just trolled all of you. Otherwise I am disappoint.

When do I not?

[Broodwich]

neo has 29 defects

[TheDevil]

Obviously he is speacial!

EDIT: Could be because he defected and then the game ended in a draw.