Are you sick of commanding sub-par teams?

LeSquide · Post by **LeSquide** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:37 pm

Most times, a wide appeal for 'three people get on <x> wing, go on miner offense' won't get a decent reply because people don't realize they're expected to step up and do it; this is true for other general commands as well ('Someone get on miner d right now!'). So, typically, only reasonably experienced people and very active people step up to do it.

If you give a person a direct order personally, though, they're more likely to follow it. However, most commanders don't have the time or the disposition to do that.

quackdamnyou · Post by **quackdamnyou** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:00 pm

I love big games Juckto. I love commanding 30-40 players in a pick up game. I hardly boot anyone.

I don't think game size has anything to do with it. It's just team composition, which is harder to manage. Trying to keep only 15 players will lead to stacking at times. Booting more people secure in the knowledge that there is another game elsewhere is just divisive. I want those people to be welcomed into the fold so that they can learn from the example of the folks who are doing well. Not made to feel unwelcome because their lack of situational awareness has them in the wrong place at the wrong time.

snufkin · Post by **snufkin** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:37 pm

shibbster wrote:QUOTE (shibbster @ Apr 8 2008, 08:15 AM) Also don't echo, delta etc get the command information as well? (like .miner298 To .Outpost047)
i rarely see them get used apart from %1 of people and (<4)

yes they do, its also somewhere on the academy pages. echo, delta and charlie have those info too, only the discovery messages are not there (which is only merrier imho, thats why im always on echo).

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:09 pm

It would be nice if the game options gave more fine-grained control over how many and what level of players could be in a game.

Right the skill levels are broken down into Nov. only (<= 7), Adv. Only (>14 ?), No Nov. (> 7?) and No. Adv. (<=14 ?). And we only have 3 choices for game size: >=1 player, >=10 players, >=30 players. No cap on maximum team size. Enforcing a minimum size doesn't make sense anyways (the comms can simply choose not to launch until the teams are set, and afterwards teams tend to grow in size. Anyways you can't stop people from leaving).

I'd like to be able to say, I want a game of max 20 players, and I want to accept anyone from a 4 up to a 17.

jgbaxter · Post by **jgbaxter** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:41 pm

Juckto I think 2 games would be wonderful.

As for wings, lol at people and wings in pugs, funny, so very funny. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

LeSquide · Post by **LeSquide** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:33 am

I'm willing to bet that if any commander took the time to directly tell, say, five people to form up into a wing, they'd get that down. However, I don't think any commander wants to spend the time singling out and ordering five people to do it.

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:34 am

Instead of Wings we have teamspeak

Cheezits · Post by **Cheezits** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:35 am

I think the problem with limiting the amount of players is that you are going to end up with all the vets on one server and everyone else on another... which would be bad, because the non vet server would end up playing with super high money settings, cap ship wars, that kind of thing.
Also, I love big games and I don't think they are that unmanagable so long as people don't spam...
Which is why the wings are a good idea.

LeSquide · Post by **LeSquide** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:55 am

Weylin wrote:QUOTE (Weylin @ Apr 7 2008, 05:43 PM) Larger games should make use of the "wings"

People who take part in a specific role should all join the same wing to not confuse others with there chatter, and so the comm can simply say "echo wing, camp the aleph low" somthing of that sort.

Also these wings should have a designated squad leader.

So basicly... a chain of command

Not sure how well that would work though...

My thoughts on it:

Commander: "Listen to Vet X and Vet Y or get booted."

Vet X: Noob1, Voobs A&B, and Vet 3, help me hunt miners; join Echo Wing.

Vet Y: Noobs 2&3, Voob C, Vet 4, join Whatever Wing.

If specific directions are given, even generally clueless players will try to follow. Explicitly delegating authority to other pilots and having them order people around on wing channels will probably reduce people flying around in circles.

Trigger1969 · Post by **Trigger1969** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:02 am

LeSquide wrote:QUOTE (LeSquide @ Apr 8 2008, 07:55 PM) My thoughts on it:

Commander: "Listen to Vet X and Vet Y or get booted."

Vet X: Noob1, Voobs A&B, and Vet 3, help me hunt miners; join Echo Wing.

Vet Y: Noobs 2&3, Voob C, Vet 4, join Whatever Wing.
If specific directions are given, even generally clueless players will try to follow. Explicitly delegating authority to other pilots and having them order people around on wing channels will probably reduce people flying around in circles.

A problem with using wings for specific tasks in PUGs is that you don't want to limit some of your players to one task. You only have some many Vets who know what they are doing and need to be jacks of all trades.