I am sick of it

Greator_SST · Post by **Greator_SST** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:19 pm

...unless you all join the tiny band of people who are trying to make a concerted, ongoing effort to implement/enforce autobalance (and thereby improve it), you may as well go play something else if you're upset by stacking. For what, six years now, stackers have been perfectly happy to roll this community over on its back on a daily basis just so a very small number of people can get their bit of pleasure. So feel free to keep spreading your legs. It's too bad you don't even get paid for the 'pleasure'.

And don't be fooled if your complaints lead to a temporary, minor, lessening of the stack. Stacking is a sickness, but it's not stupid. It knows when to go into hiding.

On the other hand, stacking does come up with some spectacularly STUPID rationales. But I've recently come to understand that spectacularly STUPID doesn't necessarily mean literally stupid. It just means the messengers are so narcissistic and self-absorbed they can't even see the stupidity of their rationale.

Adam4 · Post by **Adam4** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:28 pm

This is why AB was introduced, was it not? I've seen, from use of the randomise button, fairly even teams, there may be a few bugs with joiners, but I think AB should be used more than it is currently.

DreamWalker · Post by **DreamWalker** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:33 pm

Sure Denga, whatever.

You can either stir the pot and whine about what happens in 3 vs 3 bull@#(! off-time game which is won anyways by the comm with gc thru settings and getting the small game cheese, and add to the unaccounted for opinion that stack is all abundant and is everywhere, or you can actually strive to really look into that topic.

Out of whack whining serves no purpose. Complaining about imbalance in 3 vs 3 serves no purpose. Complaining about helo stack serves no purpose. Saying that the big games could be at times more balanced serves purpose. Everyone knows that people will follow Aarm, as he is a very good pilot and a commander. And what? That is not whining. And even those games are fun when you are on the opposite side, and I have played a couple of games like that recently.

There is a lot of good games going on, and a lot of whining that is unaccounted for. It is my duty as a member of this community to go against stupid bull@#(! whining for I am teh DreamWalker, and THIS IS SPARTA.

So please, let's vent a bit more, let's whine some more, let the newbies speak how stacking is prevalent and how there are no cap wars on the main serv, and then please Pooky, clause this yet another pointless thread that goes along the lines "I lost and I whined".

Really, the people who hang around here will tell your skill no matter what your helo is. And really, there is a lot of good games going on, and if someone participates in 3 vs 3, where somenewb(0) (like an hour ago on the main serv) wants to comm vs smallgamecheesemaster(20), than the only right thing to do is inform the newb of the horribly horrible situation he has found himself in and relief him of his burden of being comm.

Now, fly, have fun, and let's move along children.

Discussion about stack where valid points are made makes sense, yet another whining session propelled by people who just joined this community and want to win by scouting with lt interceptors, doesn't really have much value to it now, does it?

DW
elitist pig or a person who actually asks himself hard questions

DreamWalker · Post by **DreamWalker** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:37 pm

And if yet another person who stacks himself complains about getting stacked against, I'm gonna smack him with a trout.

Greator, do you actually still play and have seen the ranks as they are and how AB works in practice?

There is an entire thread about what is wrong with AB right now.

Batty, post here and tell these friends of ours that you yourself, a great proponent of AB and prime forum stack blaming in game stack detecting guy has witnessed the magic tricks that AB does.

Pheww.

ImmortalZ · Post by **ImmortalZ** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:39 pm

DreamWalker wrote:QUOTE (DreamWalker @ Apr 17 2007, 08:03 PM) *snip the crap*

There is a lot of good games going on, and a lot of whining that is unaccounted for. It is my duty as a member of this community to go against stupid bull@#(! whining for I am teh DreamWalker, and THIS IS SPARTA.

*snip even more crap*

Now, fly, have fun, and let's move along children.

Discussion about stack where valid points are made makes sense, yet another whining session propelled by people who just joined this community and want to win by scouting with lt interceptors, doesn't really have much value to it now, does it?

DW
elitist pig or a person who actually asks himself hard questions

DreamWalker wrote:QUOTE (DreamWalker @ Apr 16 2007, 08:18 PM) *snip*

Maybe helo will to some extent contribute to games being more balanced, but for now it seems to be a peculiarity that transforms the landscape of the gameplay, but in a rather random direction that can give very peculiar results.

*snip more meaningless crap*

For now, I'm really happy that alleg is still fun.

^^-- money quote
DW

DW, I've been seeing this whole trend of you going on this happy happy campaign of "Oooohh Alleg has been sooooo much fuuuuun lately! Oooooo Ooooo". I have refrained from commenting because my response to complete and utter bull@#(! will usually devolve a thread into a flame war. But you've left me no choice.

WTF?

You stack RELENTLESSLY. You have no $#@!ing right to talk about autobalance or how it should be moulded into something useful (if it already isn't - thanks to $#@!tards like you not using it so you can enlarge your e-penis on the leaderboard). If you comm, you must do it major stacks. TBH, EVERY pilot (other than your lackeys, Jormanoob & Co.) I've spoken to says that you want to win at any cost - it isn't fun for you any other way.

Well guess what? You are ruining the experience of tens of players every day. And now this. You post paragraphs of complete drivel. If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than just words strung together into circular sentences. please stay in-game with your stackathon.

Now, on my opinion about using HELO properly - enforce AB. HELO already is looking in-the-ballpark for players who play atleast semi-regularly. So you say that undervalued players will make it useless? Well guess what? If even a fraction of the number of screwed up newbie bashes you mofos play is translated into AB enforced games, those undervalued players will get HELO, thus helping the system become more accurate. Of course, this involves the current stackers actually put in some effort to win games or *gasp* lose some.

DW - Stupid $#@!tard with no backbone to go up against an even team and win.

STFU idiot.

EDIT : You may find this post replying to things not in this thread alone. That was because I gulped this down without posting it in the AB thread because I did not want to ruin Ksero's constructive thread.

Dengaroth · Post by **Dengaroth** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:46 pm

Releaze ze houndz!

DreamWalker · Post by **DreamWalker** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:53 pm

This is not true Immz. I have won many games as a comm when I was stacked against.

Look at the stats. Look at recent games if you can look them up. I get good players sometimes, and sometimes the good players go the other way. That is why I don't comm in euro afternoon anymore. Cause it's just not fun. Cause either I will have all the vets, or the other side. And pretty much a game of 6 vs 6 with factions like giga, nix, can be won by stacking the setts in the lobby and everyone who knows something about comming and has seen small games knows that. Prime time games are much better and I don't won't this to escape from the landscape of those silly discussions. Alleg is fun, and that is why I play it, and why most of us play it. Seeing only black and thinking that everyone is evil is not the way to go.

I also quite often lose to what you whiners call a stack. What I do then is I congratulate my team on good try, and don't whine. I can take a loss, though I do fight for the win.

This game is fun for me. In prime time I have been flying against the team that aarm is on recently, one game was for fullthrottl the other for spidey. We have lost both of them, though still they have been a few of the best games I played recently.

I think you are severely out of line here Immz.

DW

ImmortalZ · Post by **ImmortalZ** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:09 pm

DreamWalker wrote:QUOTE (DreamWalker @ Apr 17 2007, 08:23 PM) This game is fun for me. In prime time I have been flying against the team that aarm is on recently, one game was for fullthrottl the other for spidey. We have lost both of them, though still they have been a few of the best games I played recently.

I rest my case.

DreamWalker · Post by **DreamWalker** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:19 pm

Yes Immz, I have fun flying for what you would call stack, and against the stack.

Also, I don't see that much stacking, and I know that I can contribute to the team's success. If you have half a brain you can still kill the miner when flying against stack, and you can fight to keep your miners chugging along longer. This is fun for me even if we lose in the end. Quite often I see teamwork on the stacked against team, and I feel that we have a chance at winning.

That is why I think whining about stack hurts the game as much as blatant stacking itself. There will always be a difference of the comm's skills and of teams' overall potential, but it is good that in prime time the disparity is not as big as people portray it.

I have no problem saying that this game is fun for me. That is why I keep playing it and not some other game after all /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

And Immz, you get bitter in attacking me and resolve to dirty tricks. Like picking sentences out of context.

I feel relieved though that I do not feel compelled to reply to you in the same away anymore. Seems alleg and being around these boards have thought me something /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />.

DW

Greator_SST · Post by **Greator_SST** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:57 pm

...thx, immz, from all of us, for the support. It sucks to have to put in terms that you put it, but that's the only kind of rhetoric that works and it's nice to see others taking a stand. No amount of rational discussion or calm reasoning has changed the attitude of the people who stack. The stack sucks, DW, it has for years. And it's more than typical for you to somehow tell people that they have no right to an opinion because they haven't been here long enough, so stfu. You don't have enough skills, so stfu. You don't know how to whore, you don't know how to scout, you don't even know how to pick the stacked side, so stfu noob.

It's the typical bullying you people have been pulling for years and yea, guess what, very few new players are willing to stand up to that kind of @#(!, and very few vets are willing to put up with the crap they would surely get by posting.

We ALL know exactly who stacks and who has a @#(!ty time, we see it every night, it's not rocket science. Do you REALLY believe that this entire community is just too stupid to see the truth, that you're really as willing to join the non-stacked team as the stacked team? Or maybe your halo battery just needs to be replaced.