Windows Vista and Allegiance (Games)

[Elephanthead]

Well I tried to get allegiance working on the beta vista 64 and it wouldn't cooperate, but I am no computer expert, so I ask if someone who is smarter then me has gotten it to work. I also agree that 32 bit is the way to go now, but if any app comes out that only works in 64 bit, I do not want to be stuck having to buy vista again. The oem vista dvd only come with 32bit or 64 bit, the retail has both. I am not buying either until I see a working directv tuner card that tunes and decodes the satelite signal, or that ties straight to a HD directv box, the only reason I am buying vista is for recording HD shows, even if it is mpeg4 quality, it still is awsome compared to sd. I would only assume that 64bit would be better for handling video functions, but as of now there is no software really that takes advantage of it.

As far as drivers, I have been buying hardware that has 64 bit drivers. Thats not the problem, the problem is .net no likey vista 64.

[Pos_21]

I'm sure MS will get that sorted rather quickly. .NET was (and still kinda is) their pet project, they can't have it not working on one of their OSes.

[Your_Persona]

QUOTE (Elephanthead @ Feb 9 2007, 11:38 AM) the problem is .net no likey vista 64.

QUOTE The 64-bit version of the .NET Framework 2.0 enables the .NET Framework platform, tools and applications to run on 64-bit workstations and servers which provide increased performance and scalability by addressing more memory (16 TB vs. 4G), processing more data (64 vs. 32 bits) per clock cycle and performing faster numeric calculations.[/quote].net 3.0 IS .net 2.0 + vista extensions.

QUOTE *Windows Vista comes with .NET Framework 3.0. There is no separate installation package required.[/quote]

[ImmortalZ]

QUOTE (Elephanthead @ Feb 10 2007, 12:08 AM) Well I tried to get allegiance working on the beta vista 64 and it wouldn't cooperate, but I am no computer expert, so I ask if someone who is smarter then me has gotten it to work. I also agree that 32 bit is the way to go now, but if any app comes out that only works in 64 bit, I do not want to be stuck having to buy vista again. The oem vista dvd only come with 32bit or 64 bit, the retail has both. I am not buying either until I see a working directv tuner card that tunes and decodes the satelite signal, or that ties straight to a HD directv box, the only reason I am buying vista is for recording HD shows, even if it is mpeg4 quality, it still is awsome compared to sd. I would only assume that 64bit would be better for handling video functions, but as of now there is no software really that takes advantage of it.

As far as drivers, I have been buying hardware that has 64 bit drivers. Thats not the problem, the problem is .net no likey vista 64.

I don't see what Vista 64, or rather, Vista at all has to do anything with recording HD videos. There is one ATI capture card that has tuners for everything (terrestrial and satellite based streams). But it will work only with OEM systems (Dell et. al.). DRM sucks. A regular version of that card should be coming out soon. That probably is what you're looking for.

As of right now, very few apps show performance improvements in 64bit. I'm sure there are some enterprise level data crunching stuff out there that loves 64bit, but nothing much in the desktop spectrum.

[Elephanthead]

And Aallegiance uses .net 1.1 right?

[ImmortalZ]

ASGS uses it, right.

[Your_Persona]

QUOTE (Elephanthead @ Feb 9 2007, 04:39 PM) And Aallegiance uses .net 1.1 right?

yes, but .net 1.1 can be emulated from vista 64, and we could also compile a .net 3.0 version of ASGS.

[Corka]

Oh there have been 64 bit CPUs for quite awhile, like the Alpha architecture. Its just that they didn't really hit the mainstream until A64s started getting built.

64 bits isn't really faster. The main reason you would want a 64bit architecture is if you want more than 4gb. A bit of a simplification, but its basically how large a number you can chuck into one of the internal registers. Those things store all the memory address of the CPU right? They basically say 'Go to this memory location, access this data' rah rah. The memory addresses are recorded in bytes. With a single bit, you could represent two numbers- 0, and 1. With two bits, you get 0, 1, 2, and 3. So basically with each additional bit you double the number you can write. So with 64 bits you can write a MUCH bigger number than with 32. Once you work it out, you discover that the biggest number (in bytes) they can map in the registers happens to be in the realm of 4000mb.

So basically the swap to 64bit is fairly inevitable but for now everyone still counts 32bit as the ubiquitous standard, so the 32 bit drivers always get released first and are the most tested.

[Your_Persona]

QUOTE (Corka @ Feb 10 2007, 05:48 PM) 64 bits isn't really faster.

This statement is only true in the same manner that the following one is.

"10 gallons isn't really faster. "

This is because your are measuring a quantity, not a speed.

Now if you extend the sentence to actually mean something...

32bit: "I can +,-,*,/, and do a number of other things in a single clock cycle on 32bits."
64bit: "I can +,-,*,/, and do a number of other things in a single clock cycle on 64bits."

32bit: "I can encode and decode audio and video."
64bit: "I can encode and decode twice as much audio and video as the 32bit guy in the same amount of time."

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Now assume: speed = workDone / timeElapsed

32bitSpeed = 32bits / 1 cycle
64bitSpeed = 64bits / 1 cycle

Therefore, because a 64 bit processor can manipulate data in chunks twice as large as a 32 bit processor in the same amount of time we find that..

A 64bit processor is potentially twice as fast as a 32 bit processor.

[mdvalley]

Also keep in mind that 64 bit processors have twice the number of registers (chip makers taking advantage of the new architecture to change the standard), lowering the amount they need to hit the memory.

Is .net 3.0 available for Win XP? It's a little early to be requiring Vista to play Alleg.