Donald Trump

Post by **zombywoof** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:36 pm

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ Nov 27 2018, 04:34 AM) I think GM is just looking to the future. Which is electric cars, self driving cars, ride sharing networks. Building cars that nobody buys, just to keep a plant open doesn't make alot of sense. I guess you could blame trump for innovation and leaving the past behind.

I think we're mostly blaming trump for being a fig-witted moron who vocalizes every half-formed idea that crosses his imbecilic brain and then laughing at the people like you who spend their lives going "but no seriously it's not his fault how could he have possibly foreseen that these factories would close."

See the mistake you make is that we're not blaming Trump for the factories closing. Whatever, he's a moldy cheeto in a suit and tie. We're making fun of you for your dogged insistence that somehow this guy's a genius who has it all figured out.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:02 am

QUOTE While GM did not cite tariffs for the plant closure, Trump's trade crackdown has created problems for the auto industry. GM has said higher commodity prices and currency headwinds will cost the company $1 billion. GM's major commodity costs are steel and aluminum, both of which have climbed in price in response to Trump's tariffs.[/quote]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/business ... index.html

Ofc GM is looking to the future, that's what all companies should do. What I don't get is why you swallowed Trump's BS in the first place. Basically what cash said, you people are the only ones that didn't see this coming

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:39 am

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ Nov 27 2018, 04:34 AM) I think GM is just looking to the future. Which is electric cars, self driving cars, ride sharing networks. Building cars that nobody buys, just to keep a plant open doesn't make alot of sense. I guess you could blame trump for innovation and leaving the past behind.

I could blame GM for that, if in fact that is what they're doing. It's not at all what Trump predicted would happened. IMO, this is "you can keep your doctor" times a hundred.

All we know is that GM's car business isn't doing very well (compared to their truck and SUV business), and maybe you're right they're investing in all those other things, but I don't see any announcements, or new factories, or jobs. And then today Trump announced he was looking to pull GM's subsidies, especially their electric car subsidies. I don't see how that leads to more jobs. I don't see how this is all part of some master plan to make GM the 21st century automobile company. It looks to me that he wants to punish GM, because he views these announcement as a personal embarrassment to him. That's a very strange position for an American president to be in, to be openly rooting against such a veteran US company, but yet here we are.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:30 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Nov 28 2018, 01:39 PM) I could blame GM for that, if in fact that is what they're doing. It's not at all what Trump predicted would happened. IMO, this is "you can keep your doctor" times a hundred.

All we know is that GM's car business isn't doing very well (compared to their truck and SUV business), and maybe you're right they're investing in all those other things, but I don't see any announcements, or new factories, or jobs. And then today Trump announced he was looking to pull GM's subsidies, especially their electric car subsidies. I don't see how that leads to more jobs. I don't see how this is all part of some master plan to make GM the 21st century automobile company. It looks to me that he wants to punish GM, because he views these announcement as a personal embarrassment to him. That's a very strange position for an American president to be in, to be openly rooting against such a veteran US company, but yet here we are.

I was around when interest rates were 18% in 1980. The stock market was down. Big corporations didn't make the money they do today in turn the workers had little money. I remember lifting the gas pump hose after you were done pumping to get the last drop of gas. I'm a believer that when companies make huge amounts of money the middle class gets some but not much of that. If companies don't have much you get hardly anything. I'm really sorry we have trump in office but the democrats abandoned the unions and the middle class. I had no choice. Until you and p1 can't find work or work for peanuts you'll never understand.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:16 am

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ Nov 27 2018, 08:30 PM) I'm really sorry we have trump in office

Yeah, me too. When voters say they don't want a politician that will say anything to get elected, and they vote Trump anyways, that confuses the hell out of us.

Like, if you think the Democrats are not doing enough for the middle class, that's a respectable political opinion. To think that Republicans would do better ... makes no sense. Like, in what world do you see Republicans supporting unions MORE than Democrats? Republicans consider unions the problem.

Truth is, GM would be closing these factories regardless of who is in office. The difference is that Trump said, well, if we renegotiate NAFTA, if we cut taxes, if we remove regulations, we'll get these jobs back, like magic. And he managed to do all those things, and yet, in the end -- he was wrong. The jobs didn't come back. None of these things were ACTUALLY the problem all along.

Clinton's message throughout the whole campaign was, I'm not going to blow sunshine up your butt. You can blame NAFTA, you can blame immigrants, you can blame what you want, but the fact is -- the economy is something that is always changing and government can't control it and shouldn't control it. We can't ever promise that a certain job will be around forever. So we need to invest more in education, in retraining, in giving people a way to move to the jobs of the future. She was 100% right, and she would have fought for all those things, but apparently that was not what the voters wanted to hear.

So we got the government we deserve -- but let's not say we had no choice. We had a choice, we just picked the wrong one.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:22 am

Then theirs this. cashto might be right

Post by **zombywoof** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:26 am

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ Nov 27 2018, 08:30 PM) Until you and p1 can't find work or work for peanuts you'll never understand.

Have you ever tried making rent and eating on $8 an hour for 9 hours a week as the only job you could find? I have. $#@! off.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:50 am

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Nov 28 2018, 03:26 PM) Have you ever tried making rent and eating on $8 an hour for 9 hours a week as the only job you could find? I have. $#@! off.

Im sorry you live in California

Post by **zombywoof** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:24 am

minigun wrote:QUOTE (minigun @ Nov 27 2018, 09:50 PM) Im sorry you live in California

California actually solved my problem by having a far better economy, so I was able to find higher paying work, and also having a higher minimum wage, and also I worked for a union shop in California so I had guaranteed hours.

So, nice try, I guess.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:01 am

For me, the good ole' days was going to university full time, working part time, $5.50/hr, eventually got up to $7/hr. (AZ minimum wage was $5.15 back in 1997). Did that for two years, living in a studio apartment I rented for $295/mo. I had a tuition waiver and a couple grand a year in scholarships, so that was good. Times were tough but it was just me and I never had any debt.

Oh yeah, and I was also out of work for year and a half after the first tech bubble crash. Half of that was my laziness though. I wanted to take some time off and live off savings but it kinda got out of hand after a while. Had to give up my apartment and move in with a roommate for a while. Thank god for UI, almost $500/wk here in WA at the time and I had an extension after the first period ran out.

Past 15 years have been pretty baller tho, not gonna lie.