phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Feb 21 2017, 05:35 PM) Wow. That was a lot of posting.
Let me make this quick:
Globey was talking about the shutdown of government services. Those services have existed longer than he's been alive let alone the time he's been an American citizen. They're services that are easily paid for. They're services that have historically made our nation stronger. They're services every other major nation provides. They're services that allow children to eat and sick people to get healthy.
If you believe that only the rich have a right to not be hungry, or that only the rich have a right to not be sick, you are an @#$%@#. If you believe that anyone can just "work" to get those things, you're an idiot.
I'm just glad the majority of Americans disagree with you.
QUOTE Globey was talking about the shutdown of government services.[/quote] And I agree without even knowing exactly what he was talking about. I view taxation as theft. It is without consent. I have no choice if I wish to pay taxes or not, besides being deadass poor cuz I don't wanna work just to spite the government. I hate government for a number of reasons, this being one of them, but one of the reasons I hate government is because I understand it's necessity. In very small, moderate doses.
QUOTE Those services have existed longer than he's been alive let alone the time he's been an American citizen.[/quote]
That does NOT justify their existence in anyway, and when he became an American, to me, is irrelevant. I have NO IDEA why his status as a proper immigrant, who came over to America, to be AMERICAN, and talk about old school AMERICAN values, is related in anyway.
QUOTE They're services that are easily paid for[/quote]
Not a justification, and you need to provide context for the phrase "easily paid for." Because those taxes come from American citizens. Those taxes come from someone like me, who would rather build another cheap apartment so I can house more people, charge them rent, and then fix their dumbass waterheater that breaks every 6 months. When I get taxed a lot for making a certain amount, I am no longer incentivized to grow. There are many family businesses which have a very shallow profit margin and cannot take the hit of increased taxation. At least, not without laying people off, or cutting hours, or jacking up prices, which makes no one happy and solves nothing.
QUOTE They're services that have historically made our nation stronger[/quote]
The only service that I would agree without hesitation "makes our nation stronger" historically or otherwise, is our military. Our military is why we've never been invaded post WW2, and why we never will. I would gladly pay more taxes and sell one of my vehicles if it meant we spent more money on each individual serviceman. I'll throw in cops and firefighters, too. Oh yeah, and again, that isn't a justification. It's a platitude. It's meaningless fluffy foo-foo stuff.
QUOTE They're services every other major nation provides.[/quote]
Not a justification. Many of those major nations are suffering economically. The UK voted to not be apart of a supranational government for a lot of reasons, and that was one of them.
QUOTE They're services that allow children to eat and sick people to get healthy.[/quote]
Plenty of jobs and a booming economy will do that far better than government does. Did I tell you about my Dr. who had to sell his clinic to afford the 100k ACA software, which was mandatory, and he hates because it makes his job harder? I did, I just don't think you read it.
QUOTE If you believe that only the rich have a right to not be hungry, or that only the rich have a right to not be sick, you are an @#$%@#. If you believe that anyone can just "work" to get those things, you're an idiot.[/quote]
Don't put words in my mouth. "Rich" is entirely subjective, so that means nothing, but a few decades ago it was pretty easy for the middle class to afford everything they wanted, including what they needed. Even the lower class could, as well, because there were opportunities to get a real job and eventually stop being lower class. Welfare does not take people out of poverty. I've never seen a single example of someone stop being in poverty because of welfare outside of abuse. Food stamps doesn't help you get a job to sustain yourself and your family. It helps you depend on the state.
And yes, people can work to get those things. Most millionaires in America are self-made. Some of them even became millionaires, went bankrupt, and then became millionaires again. Dave Ramsey is a prime example. Dudes like Gates and Jobs were self made. I mean, how do you think people become "rich" in the first place? I don't just mean being a bajillionaire, I mean someone like me who has a family business. The land and apartments didn't just appear. The government didn't just give them to us.
QUOTE I'm just glad the majority of Americans disagree with you.[/quote]
pfffffffft hahahahahahahahahaha all 3 branches of American government are red, you idiot. I'd prefer if they were black and yellow, but, oh well.
Which polls are you citing? Are they ones from news organizations that got EVERYTHING wrong for the last year? Are they polls, polling the same people, from the same organizations, that gave Hillary a 98.1% chance to win?
Those are X-COM ODDS BABY
AND X-COM ALWAYS WINS WITH THOSE ODDS
THAT'S WHY TRUMP IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR
FOUR
YEARS
