Elementary school shooting

Duckwarrior · Post by **Duckwarrior** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:24 pm

You don't need to do anything other than accept the consequences.

People have guns, other people are going to get shot.

Forget the rhetoric, it is just a question of accepting the consequences. You can lie to yourself that more guns equals fewer shootings of law abiding folks (!?), but the data doesn't support your hypothesis. Don't hide behind the fact that he was "depressed/crazy/evil" he had access to guns, and he shot innocent children because of that. Nobody is going to say it isn't a heart breaking tragedy, including advocates of easier access to firearms for the masses. They are presumably either comfortable that their ability to buy a Sig and protect themselves is worth the heinous acts that will occur because of that right. Or they are able to lie so convincingly to themselves, that they can fabricate a disconnect between gun ownership and shooting people.

Every decision has a consequence. Life $#@!ed up because you had three or four beers and chose to drive home instead of calling a cab? Sorry, your choice, man up and accept the consequences of your actions.
Someone else ended up dead because of your @#(!ty choice to drive home? Then they get the sympathy, and you get to live with what you did. Welcome to real life. Hard isn't it?

America doesn't need stricter gun control, you just need to accept that abject tragedies like this are going to occur more frequently because you choose to let them. Not government, just you: "The People".

If you are happy that it is a fair trade, then you don't need to do anything and you will sleep soundly tonight. My heart truly goes out to those who lost precious people in this horrible shooting. Their grief must be unbearable.

Spunkmeyer · Post by **Spunkmeyer** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:29 pm

Pretty much.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:32 pm

Ducky tells it how it is.

My version of his point: If guns = freedom then you can have freedom or security, but not both.

One more titbit. The killer was hopped up on antidepressants yet again, as have been all the mass shooters lately. Those are some really funky happypills it seems.

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:33 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 15 2012, 03:32 PM) If guns = freedom then you can have freedom or security, but not both.

Which do you prefer?

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:39 pm

fuzzylunkin1 wrote:QUOTE (fuzzylunkin1 @ Dec 15 2012, 09:33 PM) Which do you prefer?

To me guns don't equal freedom. I wish Finland would take the lead of the UK and essentially ban private firearms.

Viscur · Post by **Viscur** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:46 pm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

Seems relevant.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:57 pm

raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Dec 15 2012, 06:46 AM) In all major cities they have police presence in public schools.

Not in elementary/middle schools. High schools, yes. and the "police presence" never does anything to stop a shooting (because cops - like Sundance - are slow and fat). Shootings always end as a murder-suicide.

djrbk wrote:QUOTE (djrbk @ Dec 15 2012, 07:43 AM) Re: america vs Japan on suicide rates, saying that America would be #1 (USA! USA!) In suicide if it weren't for them being #1 in anti depressant sales is a little bogus. Anti D's are prescribed way too easy down there for peeps who don't actually need them. That figure is a product of marketing and profit rather than a real intent to cure mental illness. I'd say if America never had Anti D's and instead used other more economical means of treatment the results wouldn't be much different. (Cutting 'Murica cold turkey would be hell at first though, too difficult to manage an masse ATM IMO)

Considering how many suicides we DO have despite our country using antidepressants more than anyone else, I'd say it is likely that we would have the top suicide rate.
I do agree that they are prescribed far too lightly, however. Everything is. Tons of people start a lifetime of prescription drugs as early as...middle school.

another big part of the problem is how these tragic events are handled by the media. Most times, a big part of the motivation of a shooter is the massive attention he will get by the media, and consequently, the entire country.
The media coverage of something like this should be limited to the affected area. There's no good reason that the entire world know about it and the president make a speech on it (at least a nationally broadcasted one)
Hundreds of thousands of people die every single day worldwide. That is the world we live in. Kids die just like the rest of em.

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:48 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 15 2012, 11:39 AM) To me guns don't equal freedom. I wish Finland would take the lead of the UK and essentially ban private firearms.

Right, guns dont equal freedom; however, gun control doesnt equal crime control either.

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:00 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 15 2012, 03:39 PM) To me guns don't equal freedom. I wish Finland would take the lead of the UK and essentially ban private firearms.

Right. Define freedom.

What kills more people, the freedom of religion or the freedom of guns?

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:06 pm

fuzzylunkin1 wrote:QUOTE (fuzzylunkin1 @ Dec 15 2012, 07:00 PM) Right. Define freedom.

What kills more people, the freedom of religion or the freedom of guns?

the zeal of religion combined with the ability to acquire guns kills the most

i mean this towards all Abrahamic religions mostly