Isn't the anti-gun control lobby's argument "People need guns to shoot the bad guys"? Guns are legal in america, shouldn't we be asking why none of the other kids had guns? Wouldn't they be safer if the government provided guns to all school kids?
Elementary school shooting
That sounds stupid.No one is advocating arming the students..good god I don't believe I just read that from MP.
In all major cities they have police presence in public schools. The cops have GUNS.I work with a guy who went to school in Brooklyn. He was stabbed in school. He could have been shot. Many are. Don't Fing tell me that if they take guns away from legal owners like me that criminals won't still be able to get them. THAT's BS!! I'm originally from Detroit. There are more un-registered and illegal guns in that city then there are cars! You can by a gun with shaved serial numbers about as easy as you can a bag of pot. Buy back programs don't work. Cities all over have tried that and while they destroy many guns there are still @#(! loads of them in every city. Don't Fing tell me I can't have my shotgun at the ready when some nutter breaks into my home because the economy sucks ass. He may shoot me first, but at least I have a chance to get him first. The place I live in now has many ex-cons wandering around with no means of employment.I work my nuts off to barely pay my bills and you want me to be un-armed against these walking abortions? Go F yourself! ( and I mean that with all the
I feel for my fellow Allegites 
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In all major cities they have police presence in public schools. The cops have GUNS.I work with a guy who went to school in Brooklyn. He was stabbed in school. He could have been shot. Many are. Don't Fing tell me that if they take guns away from legal owners like me that criminals won't still be able to get them. THAT's BS!! I'm originally from Detroit. There are more un-registered and illegal guns in that city then there are cars! You can by a gun with shaved serial numbers about as easy as you can a bag of pot. Buy back programs don't work. Cities all over have tried that and while they destroy many guns there are still @#(! loads of them in every city. Don't Fing tell me I can't have my shotgun at the ready when some nutter breaks into my home because the economy sucks ass. He may shoot me first, but at least I have a chance to get him first. The place I live in now has many ex-cons wandering around with no means of employment.I work my nuts off to barely pay my bills and you want me to be un-armed against these walking abortions? Go F yourself! ( and I mean that with all the
I feel for my fellow Allegites )
It's ridiculous to say gun control doesn't work.
You know when gun control really went into effect in the UK? 1997.
Guns are still available in the UK and there are criminals who do have them, but the thing to realise is that when criminals have them they use it to fight other criminals, not go on murder spree's.
Wouldn't you prefer the criminal to be armed instead of the psychopath?
You know when gun control really went into effect in the UK? 1997.
Guns are still available in the UK and there are criminals who do have them, but the thing to realise is that when criminals have them they use it to fight other criminals, not go on murder spree's.
Wouldn't you prefer the criminal to be armed instead of the psychopath?
QUOTE good god I don't believe I just read that from MP.[/quote]
I'm just tired of seeing the same news and same discussions. Figured I'd take a pro-gun argument - people need guns to shoot the bad guys, it's safer if everyone has guns - from the previous discussion to its logical conclusion for this thread, see where it takes us instead of going with the usual "I see people are getting shot again in the country where guns are legal, and they aren't in my country where they aren't".
Maybe by arguing a more extreme version of a usual pro gun argument the pro-gun advocates will argue against it
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QUOTE That sounds stupid.No one is advocating arming the students.[/quote]
Well, how are they meant to protect themselves if they don't have guns like their attackers? There weren't any police about, and it's not the teacher's job to be the security guard too.
I'm just tired of seeing the same news and same discussions. Figured I'd take a pro-gun argument - people need guns to shoot the bad guys, it's safer if everyone has guns - from the previous discussion to its logical conclusion for this thread, see where it takes us instead of going with the usual "I see people are getting shot again in the country where guns are legal, and they aren't in my country where they aren't".
Maybe by arguing a more extreme version of a usual pro gun argument the pro-gun advocates will argue against it
?QUOTE That sounds stupid.No one is advocating arming the students.[/quote]
Well, how are they meant to protect themselves if they don't have guns like their attackers? There weren't any police about, and it's not the teacher's job to be the security guard too.
Sounds like you've dug your self into a hole, and don't want to give up the shovel. :/raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Dec 15 2012, 02:46 PM) <We can't get rid of all the guns, there are too many>
Why are there so many criminals about? Are they really as bad as you think? If so how did they get that way? Is there something wrong with your society / country that is making them that way? Could that thing be changed / fixed? Could they be reformed? Maybe instead of the stick they are used to perhaps they should be given something else - the carrot perhaps?raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Dec 15 2012, 02:46 PM) <I live in a bad place, there are mean people about, I need to be able to shoot them>
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Re: america vs Japan on suicide rates, saying that America would be #1 (USA! USA!) In suicide if it weren't for them being #1 in anti depressant sales is a little bogus. Anti D's are prescribed way too easy down there for peeps who don't actually need them. That figure is a product of marketing and profit rather than a real intent to cure mental illness. I'd say if America never had Anti D's and instead used other more economical means of treatment the results wouldn't be much different. (Cutting 'Murica cold turkey would be hell at first though, too difficult to manage an masse ATM IMO)
other than it being peoples lives in the experiment, I would like to see death rates if all students were armed.
tbh I think unless society changed it's way of raising kids, there would be many many more isolated individual shootings and deaths, but probably less psychotic killing sprees by one individual
tbh I think unless society changed it's way of raising kids, there would be many many more isolated individual shootings and deaths, but probably less psychotic killing sprees by one individual
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QUOTE Don't Fing tell me that if they take guns away from legal owners like me that criminals won't still be able to get them. THAT's BS!![/quote]
No, it is not - if you took a critical look at this you would not make that statement because it's obvious: the criminal in this case had an ABUNDANCE of guns around him. If he had to jump through hoops to get the guns, chances are he wouldn't have bothered and went crazy in some other manner.
I don't do weed. Not because I don't like it necessarily, but acquiring some is too much trouble for me. If I could walk into Starbucks and grab some, I'd be a consumer. There is something called "barrier to entry". OTOH it's certainly fairly easy to obtain for someone who really, really wants some.
So nobody (as in nobody sensible, morons argue a lot of things, like having airport-like security in schools) is arguing gun controls will eliminate the access for hardened criminals. They would absolutely reduce psychotic shooting sprees like this, or shootings where someone resorted to using a gun (as opposed to a knife, stick or fists) because it was readily available.
The framing of the gun control issue as "good guys" vs "bad guys" is just a straw man. You should man up and say "yes, the benefit of free access to guns is worth the increased number of shootings." then I would disagree but at least you'd have a valid argument.
QUOTE Don't Fing tell me that if they take guns away from legal owners like me that criminals won't still be able to get them. THAT's BS!![/quote]
No, it is not - if you took a critical look at this you would not make that statement because it's obvious: the criminal in this case had an ABUNDANCE of guns around him. If he had to jump through hoops to get the guns, chances are he wouldn't have bothered and went crazy in some other manner.
I don't do weed. Not because I don't like it necessarily, but acquiring some is too much trouble for me. If I could walk into Starbucks and grab some, I'd be a consumer. There is something called "barrier to entry". OTOH it's certainly fairly easy to obtain for someone who really, really wants some.
So nobody (as in nobody sensible, morons argue a lot of things, like having airport-like security in schools) is arguing gun controls will eliminate the access for hardened criminals. They would absolutely reduce psychotic shooting sprees like this, or shootings where someone resorted to using a gun (as opposed to a knife, stick or fists) because it was readily available.
The framing of the gun control issue as "good guys" vs "bad guys" is just a straw man. You should man up and say "yes, the benefit of free access to guns is worth the increased number of shootings." then I would disagree but at least you'd have a valid argument.
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