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Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:31 am

So I'm curious because its hard to gauge just by the news, what is the general feeling of Israelis? Do they want peace or aggression? I know the PM is up for reelection which is probably why hes doing all this garbage, but is Israel really behind him? Are there parties with good footing who would negotiate?

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:17 am

Guys this bid is a PERFECT opportunity. Here are the results.

a) Israel loses bargaining power, feels sense of urgency to complete negotiations before they lose even more.
b) Abbas gets HUGE MAD PROPS from the Palestinians. This likely puts Fatah back in majority control of their government INSTEAD OF HAMAS.
c) With radical Hamas losing influence, Abbas's negotiating table becomes a LOT more credible, especially if he can get the rockets to stop.
d) ????
e) ????????

CronoDroid · Post by **CronoDroid** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:49 am

germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Nov 30 2012, 07:17 PM) Guys this bid is a PERFECT opportunity. Here are the results.

a) Israel loses bargaining power, feels sense of urgency to complete negotiations before they lose even more.
b) Abbas gets HUGE MAD PROPS from the Palestinians. This likely puts Fatah back in majority control of their government INSTEAD OF HAMAS.
c) With radical Hamas losing influence, Abbas's negotiating table becomes a LOT more credible, especially if he can get the rockets to stop.
d) ????
e) ????????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20552391

Israel at it again!

I think is a great step in the right direction for precisely the reasons you specify. Despite what has been said in this thread and others, obviously I have a problem with Palestinian organizations engaging in political violence against Israel. Mainly because it is a very poor method of enacting social and political change, but nevertheless if this quells Palestinian frustration and opens the door to better engagement with Israel, I'm all for Hamas getting pushed back to the sideline.

Also, whatever belligerent action Israel takes now is going to hurt them even more. They'll be seen as childish, throwing a temper tantrum because things didn't go their way. Hopefully that also kicks Israeli hardliners to the curb and a new government is elected who will take further concrete steps towards a peaceful resolution.

We'll see what happens but I hope both the Palestinians and Israelis don't screw this up.

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:10 am

Reddit commentBuilding settlements in retaliation is like Manifest Destiny.

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:28 pm

All that is just?

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:44 pm

recalling ambassadors is a diplomatic action but I wouldn't say it's 'real action against Israel', just a step up from condemnation.

David Cameron is such a tool as well "Palestine we will support you to be a UN member but you have to promise to not to use any of the services a UN member gets"

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:05 pm

HSharp wrote:QUOTE (HSharp @ Dec 3 2012, 05:44 PM) David Cameron is such a tool as well "Palestine we will support you to be a UN member but you have to promise to not to use any of the services a UN member gets"

At least UK didn't stoop as low as Canada and vote against membership.

djrbk · Post by **djrbk** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:16 pm

Canada appears to be reconsidering its political stance on that atm, I read something about us recalling ambassadors to have meetings with the foreign ministers to give their perspective on the matter // the realities of state there.

From the responses I've seen in news feeds that vote against wasn't positively received. It seems like another one of our 'appease the US' moves. Fortunately (for Palestine's UN bid anyway) the net result of the vote cast had no impact.

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:50 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 3 2012, 04:05 PM) At least UK didn't stoop as low as Canada and vote against membership.

Would have been better if he did vote against it, better then the pointless 'face-saving' gesture of abstaining, would have been more of a message to the Palestinians rather then saying we are going to abstain unless you do xyz for a vote that already was looking one sided.

Just makes the UK look even more weak.

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:24 pm

raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Dec 3 2012, 04:28 PM) All that is just?

You missed the more important article on the same webpage: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012...me-diana/59569/