Bios paydays changes

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:50 am

sono wrote:QUOTE (sono @ Jan 30 2011, 06:37 PM) this change puts BIOS in a unique position amongst all factions as the only faction that has to pick up cash to keep up normal operations lategame (tp2, bombers etc) with other factions.

In your hypothetical "lategame" where BIOS apparently has to pick up cashboxes
It is reasonable to assume that you have BIOS hvy scouts
and it is also reasonable to assume that there is ONE pilot on the team that knows how to prox decently well, in the interest of keeping miners alive
(and heavy scouts can drop a LOT of prox, coupled with hvy cloak, making them incredibly effective at stopping any number of pilots in any number of ships that might come through an aleph)

If you have heavy scouts
and 1 pilot that can use them

It is also reasonable to assume that you will be able to mine with at least one miner

If you can mine with at least one miner
It is reasonable to assume that you don't need to "pick up cash to keep up normal operations", lategame.

Therefor

No.

sono · Post by **sono** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:01 am

Elzam V. Branstein wrote:QUOTE (Elzam V. Branstein @ Jan 30 2011, 07:47 PM) Bios scouts aren't OP. What Masta is saying that Bios isn't losing because of payday changes or anything. It's because Bios thinks they don't have to defend miners or kill econ, just drag out the game.

And upping the research cost instead of lowering paydays will accomplish fixing just that, without the side effects. You did read my posts?

All those arguments about how you "just have to D miners" are pointless rabble because this holds true for every faction in the game. Now BIOS just has to keep their miners alive MORE than other factions and also profit MORE from picking up cash; and this is apparently OK because of cloaking scouts and because sono is in SF and i am masta herp derp.

kthxbai ;-)

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:04 am

sono wrote:QUOTE (sono @ Jan 30 2011, 07:01 PM) Now BIOS just has to keep their miners alive MORE than other factions

No, now BIOS has to keep their miners alive just like other factions because before the change they didn't need miners at all.
and try keeping miners alive instead of trying to make it easier to come back from losing all your miners
if you lose all your miners, you should lose
but taking cashboxes into account, it's easy enough to cashbox fund another miner as BIOS, anyway
that is entirely reasonable.
because treasures are on 99% of the time (and cashboxes are treasures)
and if you launch as BIOS with treasures off, then you better just keep a miner alive, or keep enough money in the bank to buy a new one if you lose them all
which is what you're supposed to do anyway
as any faction

If you're at risk of losing all your miners
keep money enough to buy a new one

We're not reinventing the wheel here

sono · Post by **sono** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:12 am

I love how you totally agree with me, apparently without noticing it. Good night =)

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:17 am

No, I don't. Paydays do not be increased for BIOS. In fact I'd still like all factions to lose paydays completely.

People get the most practice for squad games, in pickup games.
When XT was undefeated for years, and PK was most likely to take the crown, it was because XT and PK were stacking the @#(! out of their respective XT and PK commanders all week long in PuGs.
When Sysx rose to the top, it was because sysx were stacking Spidey all day long every day in PuGs.
same with RT suddenly becoming competitive for the first time, because RT was stacking Grav constantly

You don't hold squad practices 7 days a week to practice for squad games (in fact the squads that do hold practices the most often are the ones that perform the worst in squad games)
You practice for squad games, in PuGs all week

You are setting yourself up for SG fail to play like @#(! in a PuG
Practice in a PuG how you should perform in a SG
and it starts by learning to keep and kill miners (unless you're RT, in which case it's about turtling until you get sbs)

Vortrog · Post by **Vortrog** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:36 am

Someone really is considering removing QF's?

Damn, they are the only thing making dogfighting a heavy int in a fighter worth being podded for.

Shizoku · Post by **Shizoku** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:49 am

Funny thing is that guass isn't "dn crap", it was around before dn existed. If Spunk remembers, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was most likely included in A+ when Onion created GT.

Edit: now that I think about it, GT was created even early than that.

Naboki · Post by **Naboki** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:03 am

Mastametz wrote:QUOTE (Mastametz @ Jan 31 2011, 03:10 AM) We are approaching a point where XT and friends are going to withdraw from CC discussion completely (Sysx and friends have mostly withdrawn already), and RT and friends are going to change whatever they want, whenever they want.
Because all voices of reason have all but disappeared from the CC dev team.
Competitive players will play on XC and everyone else will play on CC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7cErAabtM

sono · Post by **sono** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:34 am

I heard someone is really going to remove ints from cc.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:59 pm

I heard that Adept asked Dasmiter to put gigantic phallic objects on all of the scouts.

He said yes.