Hey All
I'm very new to Allegiance, just started playing it last week. I am very impressed; I like the game VERY much.
Also, I am the leader/founder of a gaming clan, Rebel Genius. We are a small, old clan that has seen better days. (Back when we played Homeworld). We currently only have five active members, and the clan is dying.
Actually, RG has died many times, but has been brought back to life. Problem is, we have no game. We are a gaming clan without a game.
So, we are looking for a good game to move into. Allegiance is on the list, and is my current favorite choice. (Not everyone in the clan agrees with me)
However, there is an issue. Every time I mentioned in the chat that I have a clan, Rebel Genius, and we are looking into joining Allegiance, I got a negative response.
Nothing bad. Just that some members don't seem too keen on the idea of getting more clans in the game. (Or wings as you call them).
I can understand this. There are WAY to many noobs who have NO idea how to run a clan saying "I'm going to start my own clan!" and it lasts all of five days.
A couple years ago, I was one of those noobs. I was stupid, stubborn, and had no idea how to run a clan. The Result: I founded RG and have never looked back.
Essentially, I want to know. If my clan decides to play allegiance; will we be welcome?
My clan is good hearted, and learns quickly. In the past we have been famous for a complete LACK of anything resembling skill, but we have the best teamwork and camaraderie of any clan.
I know that Allegiance will accept new players, noobs, and teach them.
But will you accept an entirely new clan?
I promise that we will NOT try to recruit, or wage inter-galactic war, or anything like it, until our majority is above rank 5. Which I understand is the standard level considered decently experienced.
Also, the main problem my clan has with Alliegence, is the lack of players. We are afraid, that like our beloved game Homeworld, Alliegence will die before we are ready.
Any information to combat this would be great. (Is the player base growing? Is it shrinking? Ect...)
Through the Fire we Rise: Rebel Genius.
The Rebel Genius
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fuzzylunkin1
Welcome to allegiance.
It is a quite excellent game.
As for bringing your clan here and joining as a squad this is a difficult idea for a number of reasons
This game is difficult to learn, and a proportion of the community has been playing for 10 years. Unless you get some good veterans on your team you will get whored on for a long long time before you start winning games.You need at least 15 players to start a squad. More is necessary really to be viable...You will face some hostility, as some people think the playerbase is only just big enough to support the squads we have.
What I would do (personally).
Get your mates to fly this game.Take the exxcellent training supplied by this communityMaybe join a squad to see how a working squad works.Ask around opinions from people who have created squads in the past (Andon's a fairly recent example)
Anyway - I look forward to see you in game. Good luck!
(Another thing you can do is get your mates to fly with callsigns like EvilTesla_RG etc. so you feel like a group)
It is a quite excellent game.
As for bringing your clan here and joining as a squad this is a difficult idea for a number of reasons
This game is difficult to learn, and a proportion of the community has been playing for 10 years. Unless you get some good veterans on your team you will get whored on for a long long time before you start winning games.You need at least 15 players to start a squad. More is necessary really to be viable...You will face some hostility, as some people think the playerbase is only just big enough to support the squads we have.
What I would do (personally).
Get your mates to fly this game.Take the exxcellent training supplied by this communityMaybe join a squad to see how a working squad works.Ask around opinions from people who have created squads in the past (Andon's a fairly recent example)
Anyway - I look forward to see you in game. Good luck!
(Another thing you can do is get your mates to fly with callsigns like EvilTesla_RG etc. so you feel like a group)
EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 02:27 PM) * snip *
Also, the main problem my clan has with Alliegence, is the lack of players. We are afraid, that like our beloved game Homeworld, Alliegence will die before we are ready.
* snip *
but I think TE wins the bet
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Ssssh
According to the wiki, the most recently created squad that's still active was formed waaaay back in 2005. Although several squads have been made since then, all of them failed, and the most recent ones (SPQR and DSM) suffered from poor reputations throughout their relatively short lives. Newbie squads in particular have a high rate of failure, as they're often formed by people who have little idea of how to work the game or (more importantly) the community, lacking people who know how to lead the team to victory as well as when to keep their mouths shut.
It seems like you have a basic idea of what you're doing, so I don't think you're necessarily bound for failure if you stick around...but Allegiance is a tight-knit community built around a very difficult-to-get-into game, so it won't be an easy task. For instance, because of the team-centricness of the game, rank doesn't matter quite so much as really, really, really knowing what you're doing and what everyone else is doing - and there's no substitute for 6-8 months of experience. You will need to recruit veterans, because running a squad with entirely new players isn't going to happen: if you move your whole crew in here tomorrow and everyone plays like mad, I can guarantee that no matter how good you are, none of you will be flying at a squad game level before fall and none of you will be good enough to really command a game before 2011.
As for the hostility, that's just something you're going to have to deal with. People tend to get really into the game, and both trash-talking and angry yelling are very common; if a game's going particularly badly, it's not uncommon for the commander to call his team every name in the book. And as newbies, you'll find that people will @#(! on damn near anything you say that isn't "I am your faithful slave" or "yes sir may I have another", because there's a vague pecking order built around skill and perceived importance here, and the bottom rungs of the ladder (who suck so much they'd get laughed right out of the game if they tried to sass damn near anyone) will gladly abuse the hell out of newbs. It's not too different from most other non-MMO games, really; you just have to have a thick skin. Anyone who breaks down and whines about it gets to be the laughingstock of the forums for a week or two.
It seems like you have a basic idea of what you're doing, so I don't think you're necessarily bound for failure if you stick around...but Allegiance is a tight-knit community built around a very difficult-to-get-into game, so it won't be an easy task. For instance, because of the team-centricness of the game, rank doesn't matter quite so much as really, really, really knowing what you're doing and what everyone else is doing - and there's no substitute for 6-8 months of experience. You will need to recruit veterans, because running a squad with entirely new players isn't going to happen: if you move your whole crew in here tomorrow and everyone plays like mad, I can guarantee that no matter how good you are, none of you will be flying at a squad game level before fall and none of you will be good enough to really command a game before 2011.
As for the hostility, that's just something you're going to have to deal with. People tend to get really into the game, and both trash-talking and angry yelling are very common; if a game's going particularly badly, it's not uncommon for the commander to call his team every name in the book. And as newbies, you'll find that people will @#(! on damn near anything you say that isn't "I am your faithful slave" or "yes sir may I have another", because there's a vague pecking order built around skill and perceived importance here, and the bottom rungs of the ladder (who suck so much they'd get laughed right out of the game if they tried to sass damn near anyone) will gladly abuse the hell out of newbs. It's not too different from most other non-MMO games, really; you just have to have a thick skin. Anyone who breaks down and whines about it gets to be the laughingstock of the forums for a week or two.
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Welcome to allegiance. I played hw alot a few weeks ago. It's a very nice game. Sadly Cataclysm and vista hate each other.
Our playerbase is growing at the moment, we have a lot of new players arround. Also new players get a lot support since we have a newbie training program and a lot people caring about the newbs. It's Called Allegiance Flight School (AFS). send a pm to notjarvis (3rd poster here) to get more info about it.
Please don't start a squad, or at lest, don't start it soon. It might or may not be possible for your entire clan to join 1 squad as a whole, Contact the squadleaders about this. I propose to you: start learning the games first, finnish AFS, finish Cadet2 (= deeper training). And then you will have a rough idea who the people here are, and who you should ask. Also consider spreading out in the squads and stay a hidden society.
lexaal.
Our playerbase is growing at the moment, we have a lot of new players arround. Also new players get a lot support since we have a newbie training program and a lot people caring about the newbs. It's Called Allegiance Flight School (AFS). send a pm to notjarvis (3rd poster here) to get more info about it.
Please don't start a squad, or at lest, don't start it soon. It might or may not be possible for your entire clan to join 1 squad as a whole, Contact the squadleaders about this. I propose to you: start learning the games first, finnish AFS, finish Cadet2 (= deeper training). And then you will have a rough idea who the people here are, and who you should ask. Also consider spreading out in the squads and stay a hidden society.
lexaal.
I have a johnson photo in my profile since 2010.
I think you are not really aware of the status a squad has in Allegiance. Someone (who is not a newb as I am) should perhaps explain this.EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 09:27 PM) However, there is an issue. Every time I mentioned in the chat that I have a clan, Rebel Genius, and we are looking into joining Allegiance, I got a negative response.
Nothing bad. Just that some members don't seem too keen on the idea of getting more clans in the game. (Or wings as you call them).
Essentially, I want to know. If my clan decides to play allegiance; will we be welcome?
My clan is good hearted, and learns quickly. In the past we have been famous for a complete LACK of anything resembling skill, but we have the best teamwork and camaraderie of any clan.
If you are joining with five people, forming your own squad may not be exactly what you are looking for, at least not within the first months.
Are you welcome to join? Definitely yes. May you try to form your own squad? I see no reason why not, but be prepared that people will be betting on how long you will last.
You can have a lot of fun playing Allegiance without being in a Squad, several people even prefer this.
As far as I know it is slowly rising. Can some Master of Numbers back this up? (Edit: lexaal did while I was proofreading, wohn't happan agayn!)EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 09:27 PM) Also, the main problem my clan has with Alliegence, is the lack of players. We are afraid, that like our beloved game Homeworld, Alliegence will die before we are ready.
Any information to combat this would be great. (Is the player base growing? Is it shrinking? Ect...)
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For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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fuzzylunkin1
I'd really love to have another REAL squad. SPQR was a real one (even if they lost a lot of games), it was just trolled too much and they gave up.
Take all those advices and follow them, those people are so right telling you to learn the game first. However, if you wish you can get your friends to make the name with a "tag" after it, like the one youn have on your forum name, just for fun. However, learn the game, fly with others, become known (and even maybe respected) and get some people to follow you and you will succeed (at least for a while).
Also, i don't see alleg dying at least for the next 4-5 years, we're too addicted for that!!
Take all those advices and follow them, those people are so right telling you to learn the game first. However, if you wish you can get your friends to make the name with a "tag" after it, like the one youn have on your forum name, just for fun. However, learn the game, fly with others, become known (and even maybe respected) and get some people to follow you and you will succeed (at least for a while).
Also, i don't see alleg dying at least for the next 4-5 years, we're too addicted for that!!
ACS grad since 2nd Feb. 2010We call them squads.EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 12:27 PM) Just that some members don't seem too keen on the idea of getting more clans in the game. (Or wings as you call them).
You are welcome, but 5 players a squad does not make, and it'll take at least 2 years for you to form a halfway decent squad. In the meantime expect to lose every single game, and lots of the players you recruit as no one likes losing that much. Also your squad will be made fun of.EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 12:27 PM) Essentially, I want to know. If my clan decides to play allegiance; will we be welcome?
No. Rank 5 is what we consider voob - totally useless.EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 12:27 PM) I promise that we will NOT try to recruit, or wage inter-galactic war, or anything like it, until our majority is above rank 5. Which I understand is the standard level considered decently experienced.
lol.EvilTesla-RG wrote:QUOTE (EvilTesla-RG @ Apr 15 2010, 12:27 PM) Also, the main problem my clan has with Alliegence, is the lack of players. We are afraid, that like our beloved game Homeworld, Alliegence will die before we are ready.
The best advice I can give you is this: Join an existing squad with your 5 players, learn how it works. Learn the game and if in 6 months/a year you still feel this is a good idea, go to a doctor and get some kind of prescription.
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slap wrote:QUOTE (slap @ Oct 7 2009, 01:28 AM) good point, I concede.