Will it Let me on or Won't It?

Biohazard · Post by **Biohazard** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:59 pm

There are 3 of us that play using the same connection. We use DxPort to simultaneously play. It always worked fine under reg alleg. However seems FAZ will not allow this. If one of us is logged on the other is not allowed into the lobby. We can get to the Welcome screen, but will not let us see the servers. If the one who got in logs out then one of the others can get in. Is there a fix for this or is this just the way it is?

madpeople · Post by **madpeople** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:04 pm

what happens if you dont use dxport?

(ok, i have no idea about this, but i am usually good at guessing the right answer for things i have no clue about) /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:05 pm

Remove DXport from all computers, turn off the port-forwards, and try again.

Biohazard · Post by **Biohazard** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:12 pm

We disabled it, and it still the same situation. No port forwarding.

Guess no more Wednesday nights for us!

Dogbones · Post by **Dogbones** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:30 pm

Biohazard wrote:QUOTE (Biohazard @ Nov 1 2006, 05:12 PM) We disabled it, and it still the same situation. No port forwarding.

Guess no more Wednesday nights for us!

The problem is this will be going live soon, so we need to figure this out otherwise no more nights at all

I'll check with mdv, or let him reply.

Try disabling the port forwarding but STILL USE DXport, that will force each machine behind your NAT to use a different port and the server should reply on that port to each machine.

DeathHo · Post by **DeathHo** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:13 pm

Ok to Dogbones, we never had port forwarding on the router. I triple checked that fact. Just used DXport for reg alleg. Also tried Dxport and non Dxport to log in.

Ok, this is gonna be long its the log of the chat I had with terra and sgtbaker on the issue. Has all the relevant info I believe.

[01 Nov 06 22:05] > DeathHo (DeathHo@adsl-152-55-231.gnv.bellsouth.net) has
joined
[01 Nov 06 22:05] RTBot: DeathHo! 'yh
[01 Nov 06 22:05] DeathHo: Hi all
[01 Nov 06 22:05] DeathHo: I have a question
[01 Nov 06 22:06] DeathHo: 3 of us are trying to play on FAZ thru 1 router
and we all can logon but can not connect to the game lobby?
[01 Nov 06 22:07] DeathHo: it says "Failed to connect to the Lobby"
[01 Nov 06 22:07] DeathHo: any ideas?
[01 Nov 06 22:08] Sgt_Baker: You have allegbeta installed to /Microsoft
Games/Freeallegiance/ ?
[01 Nov 06 22:08] Sgt_Baker: And are selecting the 'Use Beta' option in
ASGS?
[01 Nov 06 22:08] DeathHo: yes I do...we can each logon but all 3 of us can
not
[01 Nov 06 22:08] Sgt_Baker: ^^ASGS
[01 Nov 06 22:08] DeathHo: yes
[01 Nov 06 22:08] Sgt_Baker: Hmm....
[01 Nov 06 22:09] Sgt_Baker: What are you using for NAT?
[01 Nov 06 22:09] DeathHo: on my ASGS it says Beta...I see the FAZDEV page
[01 Nov 06 22:09] DeathHo: nat?
[01 Nov 06 22:09] Sgt_Baker: Yeh.. but 'Failed to connect'?
[01 Nov 06 22:10] Sgt_Baker: Your three players have Network Address
Translation?
[01 Nov 06 22:10] Sgt_Baker: ie. 192.168.x.x addresses
[01 Nov 06 22:11] DeathHo: yes
[01 Nov 06 22:11] Sgt_Baker: Are you sure you have the correct build?
[01 Nov 06 22:12] DeathHo: yes I think so I just redownloaded everything and
I can get to the page....I can try again
[01 Nov 06 22:12] Sgt_Baker: redownload latest RC3 build and install again
to /[MSGames]/FreeAllegiance
[01 Nov 06 22:12] DeathHo: ok...thx
[01 Nov 06 22:13] DeathHo: bb if I have a prob
[01 Nov 06 22:13] Sgt_Baker: 'ra
[01 Nov 06 22:13] Raveen: Baker
[01 Nov 06 22:13] DeathHo: `yt
[01 Nov 06 22:13] RTBot: 'rt
[01 Nov 06 22:13] > DeathHo (DeathHo@adsl-152-55-231.gnv.bellsouth.net) has
disconnected: Quit
[01 Nov 06 22:20] > DeathHo (DeathHo@adsl-152-55-231.gnv.bellsouth.net) has
joined
[01 Nov 06 22:20] RTBot: DeathHo! 'yh
[01 Nov 06 22:20] DeathHo: hi
[01 Nov 06 22:20] Terra[work]: yes, they should
[01 Nov 06 22:20] Terra[work]: heya DH
[01 Nov 06 22:20] DeathHo: hey
[01 Nov 06 22:20] Raveen: that potentially sucks then
[01 Nov 06 22:20] Abom[AFKlleg]: terra might know something
[01 Nov 06 22:20] Raveen: colud existing port forwarding/DXPorting be
screwing it all up?
[01 Nov 06 22:20] Terra[work]: I asked them to disable dxport and
port-forwards
[01 Nov 06 22:21] Terra[work]: still only one can connect at a time
[01 Nov 06 22:21] Terra[work]: which indicates it's an ASGS/routing issue
[01 Nov 06 22:21] DeathHo: `1
[01 Nov 06 22:21] DeathHo: so we can not play together?
[01 Nov 06 22:21] DeathHo: on beta
[01 Nov 06 22:23] Osa_Eris: woah, DeathHo in IRC /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Sgt_Baker: DH...
[01 Nov 06 22:24] DeathHo: `1
[01 Nov 06 22:24] DeathHo: yes
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Sgt_Baker: You tried other games under thi setup?
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Terra[work]: question
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Terra[work]: one moment
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Terra[work]: what error do you get?
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Terra[work]: can not connect to lobby?
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Sgt_Baker: '1
[01 Nov 06 22:24] DeathHo: yes we play all the time on reg alleg
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Terra[work]: or does it kick one person out when another
logs in?
[01 Nov 06 22:24] Sgt_Baker: Ah
[01 Nov 06 22:25] DeathHo: its Bio on Deaths Comp he types too slow
[01 Nov 06 22:25] Sgt_Baker: So you have port-triggering for reg alleg?
[01 Nov 06 22:25] DeathHo: It will let me log into lobby but not connect to
any sever
[01 Nov 06 22:25] DeathHo: Will not even let him into lobby
[01 Nov 06 22:25] Terra[work]: they use dxport and static port-forwards, i'd
assume
[01 Nov 06 22:25] DeathHo: Noobho is currently on Faz
[01 Nov 06 22:25] Terra[work]: gimme a min
[01 Nov 06 22:25] DeathHo: WE only use DxPort to forward the ports
[01 Nov 06 22:25] Terra[work]: got a bit of work to do
[01 Nov 06 22:25] Terra[work]: sec
[01 Nov 06 22:26] DeathHo: No it doesn't kick anyone just wont let other log
in
[01 Nov 06 22:26] Sgt_Baker: Have you killed all of the DXport stuff?
[01 Nov 06 22:26] DeathHo: Ok I'll wait
[01 Nov 06 22:26] DeathHo: Yeah, we disabled it on all comps
[01 Nov 06 22:26] Sgt_Baker: 'ra
[01 Nov 06 22:26] DeathHo: Still getting same results
[01 Nov 06 22:26] Terra[work]: i guarantee you have port-forwards set up in
your router
[01 Nov 06 22:26] Sgt_Baker: Your router in 'virgin' config?
[01 Nov 06 22:26] Terra[work]: and that's screwing it up
[01 Nov 06 22:26] Terra[work]: guaranteed
[01 Nov 06 22:27] Sgt_Baker: 'ya
[01 Nov 06 22:27] DeathHo: For the most part yeah its at the original
settings. I double checked to make sure all forwarding was disabled
[01 Nov 06 22:27] DeathHo: I will check one more time for forwarding
[01 Nov 06 22:27] DeathHo: BRB
[01 Nov 06 22:28] DeathHo: Port Forwarding is blank
[01 Nov 06 22:29] DeathHo: We have to use DxPort to play reg alleg. If it is
not on it will boot the one who is on when the other logs in
[01 Nov 06 22:30] DeathHo: No matter whether we use it or not for FAZ it
just won't let us log in to lobby, or server if any one of the others is on
[01 Nov 06 22:31] DeathHo: it assigns out ip for us
[01 Nov 06 22:32] Sgt_Baker: Can you make a posy on the FAZ beta forums
please?
[01 Nov 06 22:32] DeathHo: i did
[01 Nov 06 22:32] Sgt_Baker: *post
[01 Nov 06 22:32] Sgt_Baker: 'rr
[01 Nov 06 22:32] Sgt_Baker: With all the router/install/everything info?
[01 Nov 06 22:33] DeathHo: I didn't give the specifics of the devices
[01 Nov 06 22:33] DeathHo: Just the problem
[01 Nov 06 22:33] Sgt_Baker: Please give the specifics
[01 Nov 06 22:33] DeathHo: WE all redownloaded so we all have the proper
builds
[01 Nov 06 22:33] Sgt_Baker: 'ra
[01 Nov 06 22:33] Terra[work]: it really ought not to work for regular alleg
at all without port-forwarding on the router
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: dxport or no
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: I have a similar setup at my house for myself
and Raziel
[01 Nov 06 22:34] DeathHo: thats what the dx port does for us
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: no no
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: dxport works on your computer
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: it doesn't do anything at the router level
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: trust me
[01 Nov 06 22:34] DeathHo: well i know
[01 Nov 06 22:34] DeathHo: sry
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: =]
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: dxport restricts what ports your computer
uses
[01 Nov 06 22:34] DeathHo: `1
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Sgt_Baker: Death said router = blank DXPort = blank
[01 Nov 06 22:34] Terra[work]: but the router has to forward the
dxport-selected ports to the right computers
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Cort: and again, a vote without an 'abstain' option...

[01 Nov 06 22:35] Terra[work]: or it will work sporadically at best
[01 Nov 06 22:35] DeathHo: I can try to forward ports, but you said that
will not work right?
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Sgt_Baker: DON'T forward ports
[01 Nov 06 22:35] DeathHo: Yeah, thats what I thought
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Terra[work]: yeah
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Sgt_Baker: That is the idea of FAZ RC3
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Sgt_Baker: /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Terra[work]: something is very odd with your setup
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Sgt_Baker: '2
[01 Nov 06 22:35] DeathHo: Simple setup
[01 Nov 06 22:35] Terra[work]: if it works under regular alleg with no
router port-forwards set
[01 Nov 06 22:36] Terra[work]: it should need port-forwards under regular
alleg
[01 Nov 06 22:36] Sgt_Baker: You just say that as a Dev, Terr ;p
[01 Nov 06 22:36] DeathHo: DSL modem - Router - 3 hard wired comps
[01 Nov 06 22:36] FlowerRT: @cort: you would abstain? what info do you have
that doth lack my humble self? /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />
[01 Nov 06 22:36] Terra[work]: what model router?
[01 Nov 06 22:36] DeathHo: Never had to use them b4
[01 Nov 06 22:36] DeathHo: When we did try to forward ports, it only slowed
us way down
[01 Nov 06 22:36] DeathHo: Netgear wireless router MR814V2
[01 Nov 06 22:37] Terra[work]: so you really don't have even close to the
same situation
[01 Nov 06 22:37] Terra[work]: so uh
[01 Nov 06 22:37] Terra[work]: bzzt
[01 Nov 06 22:37] Sgt_Baker: Eveyone quiet on the channel whilst we get this
sorted plz /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
[01 Nov 06 22:37] DeathHo: `yt
[01 Nov 06 22:37] RTBot: 'rt
[01 Nov 06 22:38] Terra[work]: just making sure..
[01 Nov 06 22:38] Terra[work]: you made sure to *close* dxport totally,
right?
[01 Nov 06 22:38] DeathHo: `1
[01 Nov 06 22:38] Terra[work]: the close button on the window just sends it
to the system tray
[01 Nov 06 22:38] Terra[work]: you have to manually exit it
[01 Nov 06 22:38] DeathHo: yeah, we know
[01 Nov 06 22:38] DeathHo: made sure to completely close it out on all comps
[01 Nov 06 22:38] Terra[work]: k
[01 Nov 06 22:38] Terra[work]: just checking
[01 Nov 06 22:39] Terra[work]: and, if, for example, you ran regular alleg
w/ dxport
[01 Nov 06 22:39] Terra[work]: then switched all the dxport port ranges
around
[01 Nov 06 22:39] Terra[work]: it would still work?
[01 Nov 06 22:39] DeathHo: it will let my comp plug #2 get into lobby, but
not server, but won't let this one plug #1 even into lobby
[01 Nov 06 22:39] DeathHo: Right, reg alleg as long as each of us has a
differnt port range, reg alleg works fine
[01 Nov 06 22:39] DeathHo: no matter what range it is
[01 Nov 06 22:40] Terra[work]: o.0
[01 Nov 06 22:40] Terra[work]: your router must seriously kick ass
[01 Nov 06 22:40] DeathHo: `1
[01 Nov 06 22:40] > hockster (hockey1015@cpe-24-59-237-205.twcny.res.rr.com)
is now known as hockster_food
[01 Nov 06 22:40] Terra[work]: because that's the first i've heard of that
[01 Nov 06 22:40] Terra[work]: every other situation with multiple computers
behind one router, port-forwards were required
[01 Nov 06 22:40] Terra[work]: hell, one computer behind a router usually
needs port-forwards
[01 Nov 06 22:41] DeathHo: `gu
[01 Nov 06 22:41] Sgt_Baker: RC3 != Port probs. Hence this is very
important.
[01 Nov 06 22:42] Terra[work]: yes
[01 Nov 06 22:42] Terra[work]: under R3, all the computers use the same port
[01 Nov 06 22:42] Terra[work]: NAT should handle the rest transparently
[01 Nov 06 22:42] Sgt_Baker: Aaaahhhh!
[01 Nov 06 22:42] Terra[work]: does your router have any spiffiness
regarding NAT and port-triggering that might be interfering with that?
[01 Nov 06 22:42] DeathHo: Not that I'm aware of
[01 Nov 06 22:43] DeathHo: I will look real quick at settings
[01 Nov 06 22:43] Sgt_Baker: Terr: Outgoing port or incoming port?
[01 Nov 06 22:44] Terra[work]: same for both
[01 Nov 06 22:44] Terra[work]: 2351 iirc
[01 Nov 06 22:44] Sgt_Baker: That's gonna cause issues, no?
[01 Nov 06 22:44] Terra[work]: it hasn't before
[01 Nov 06 22:44] DeathHo: nope nothing that I can see
[01 Nov 06 22:44] Terra[work]: both dogbones and i ran -multi clients from
behind a router and connected with all of them
[01 Nov 06 22:45] Terra[work]: but never with ASGS, I don't think
[01 Nov 06 22:45] Terra[work]: which may be causing the problem
[01 Nov 06 22:45] Sgt_Baker: yup
[01 Nov 06 22:46] Sgt_Baker: My initial probs were ASGS related
[01 Nov 06 22:46] Sgt_Baker: Alleg ran
[01 Nov 06 22:46] Sgt_Baker: But I got the 'can't...lobby'
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Terra[work]: I think ASGS's anti-cheating measures may be
causing this problem
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Sgt_Baker: Even though *I* coused those probs
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Terra[work]: as I once had something of this with Raz and
I
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Terra[work]: but with our problem
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Sgt_Baker: *caused
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Terra[work]: when I was connected, and he tried to
connect, it kicked me out
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Terra[work]: and vice versa
[01 Nov 06 22:47] Terra[work]: hmmm
[01 Nov 06 22:48] Terra[work]: all DHCP, right?
[01 Nov 06 22:49] Sgt_Baker: Can you ping 82.10.176.127?
[01 Nov 06 22:49] DeathHo: `1
[01 Nov 06 22:49] DeathHo: let me check ping
[01 Nov 06 22:49] Sgt_Baker: That's me
[01 Nov 06 22:49] Sgt_Baker: Juck checking
[01 Nov 06 22:49] DeathHo: it says request timed out
[01 Nov 06 22:50] DeathHo: `1 was for DHCP
[01 Nov 06 22:50] Sgt_Baker: ah
[01 Nov 06 22:50] DeathHo: We switched comps. Noob logged out, I logged in
and when Noob tried to reconnect it kicked me out
[01 Nov 06 22:50] Sgt_Baker: ??
[01 Nov 06 22:51] Sgt_Baker: Explain
[01 Nov 06 22:51] DeathHo: NoobHo has been logged in under comp #3
[01 Nov 06 22:51] DeathHo: While he was on it would not let comp #2 or comp
#1 log in
[01 Nov 06 22:51] DeathHo: We had comp #3 logout
[01 Nov 06 22:51] DeathHo: Then comp #2 logged in
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: hang on
[01 Nov 06 22:52] DeathHo: Then when comp #3 tried to log back in it logged
out comp #2
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: aha
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: that's an ASGS issue
[01 Nov 06 22:52] DeathHo: `r1
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: vc r1
[01 Nov 06 22:52] RTBot: That VC isn't part of the TigereyeDialect dialect!
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: ok
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: I need you to post a full report on this to
FAZ beta
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Sgt_Baker: ^^
[01 Nov 06 22:52] DeathHo: Oh joy!
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Terra[work]: and make sure to mention that it forced
log-out
[01 Nov 06 22:52] Sgt_Baker: /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
[01 Nov 06 22:53] Terra[work]: that's the important bit that tells me it's
ASGS's anti-cheating measure
[01 Nov 06 22:53] Sgt_Baker: My issues were ASGS related too
[01 Nov 06 22:53] DeathHo: Ok, now it won't let comp #3 back in at all
[01 Nov 06 22:53] Terra[work]: it probably says account disabled
[01 Nov 06 22:53] Terra[work]: because of too many login requests too fast
[01 Nov 06 22:53] DeathHo: Nope just failed to connect to server
[01 Nov 06 22:54] DeathHo: But I will post in the FazDev forum
[01 Nov 06 22:54] DeathHo: Thanks for trying
[01 Nov 06 22:54] Sgt_Baker: Stay on as you post DH
[01 Nov 06 22:54] Sgt_Baker: (IRC)
[01 Nov 06 22:55] DeathHo: ok???
[01 Nov 06 22:55] Sgt_Baker: We (they) need an accurate account
[01 Nov 06 22:55] Sgt_Baker: ^^ All we've discussed

If you have any further questions let me know. Usually if you find one of us on there is another here somewhere so if you have an idea we can check it.

Radar · Post by **Radar** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:40 am

hello there,

Dog has offered to let you test this with ASGS turned off.

That will let us divide it between ASGS, NAT, Dplay8, router, firewall or whatever.

try to join the beta lobby without using ASGS. If ASGS is turned on then it will tell you to use it.
If it is off then you should get right into the lobby.

Contact Dogbones if ASGS is on. He can turn it off or tell you when it will be off so that you can test.
You can also contact tiger.

once you get in, do your testing.

If it only fails with ASGS on then ... hey pook.

If it fails with ASGS off, we will become more involved to figure it out.

radar

Dogbones · Post by **Dogbones** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:43 am

I didn't reply earlier, but when I saw Radar's post (in another thread) I went ahead and turned off ASGS (well the need for it) on the beta server. So you should be clear to give this a try. I'm just playing around tonight (unwinding from work) then I have house guests, but on Sun I hope to give this a whirl (but that is what I thought last weekend).

Dogbones · Post by **Dogbones** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:12 pm

Finally got around to testing this on my home network.
As suggested above this seems to be an ASGS issue specific to you guys, as in you got your accounts linked.

I was able to connect to the Beta lobby, then server, then play a game, with and wthout ASGS with two different accounts on two different computers behind a Linksys WRT54GL firewall/router with no trigger or port forward rules enabled or need to use DXPort.

Dog

Post by **BlackViper** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:04 am

1. If two Alleg players sign on the same machine , their accounts will become linked.
2. It will only allow one of those linked callsigns online at a time.
3. You can NOT use the same machines.

Send a PM to TE with all of the account names and he will unlink them for you. Then do not use the same machines, or it will happen again.