giga missing hvy counter 3?

fwiffo · Post by **fwiffo** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:53 pm

rix has it, i think other factions do too.
also, is ship speed ga intentionally 4k instead of 5k?

Xeretov · Post by **Xeretov** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:33 pm

Hmm, I think you're right. Looks like this was an issue in CC_06 as well, but nobody noticed. I believe hvy counters are still unintentionally useless though, although to my knowledge it hasn't been tested recently. For those of you curious, hvy counters supposedly drop from the exact center of the capship. Meaning a spoofed missile would still track into the ship and hit it.

As for the ship speed GA, I believe it is intentionally priced at 4K. All other first level GAs are 20% cheaper than the second level, so speed probably got the reduction too for consistency. None of the GA prices have been changed in any CC release yet though.

Thanks for the catch!

Dorjan · Post by **Dorjan** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:08 pm

I never got the whole hvy counter thing

Vlymoxyd · Post by **Vlymoxyd** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:11 am

I think Hvy counter should be tied to small one. I don't see myself buying those ever.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:27 am

looking in ice hvy counters are extremely powerful, while regular cm "strengths" are
1: 1.5
2: 2.25
3: 3.375

Heavy CMs are
1: 3
2: 4.5
3. 6.75

Now I dont recall the missle vs cm spoofing equation, and I'm fairly certain the last time i read it wasnt very simple or easy to remember, but If CM resistance for missles and CM strength are on a 1:1 ratio, Hvy counters and their upgrades would be extremely valuable for dealing with any type of tracking missle (dumbfires, killers, and killer swarm have the highest cm resistance with 3 and 4.5). If we could get them to launch properly it might help with sy's resistance to sup

Death3D · Post by **Death3D** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:29 am

Just scrap CMs on Capships altogether?

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:31 pm

Except that the problem with the sup/sy matchup isn't the dumbfire missiles it's the dis3 and galvs.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:28 pm

1 dumb2 does as much damage as 3 dis2's in a second against caps

DasSmiter · Post by **DasSmiter** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:11 pm

Just gotta work with the devs on getting the counter to eject like a prox or something.

Post by **zombywoof** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:45 am

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Nov 12 2009, 01:28 PM) 1 dumb2 does as much damage as 3 dis2's in a second against caps

Dis2 CC06
2 points per shot
8 shots/second
16 damage/second * 4 = 64damage/s * 3 = 192 d/s/fig
16 damage/second * 4 = 64damage/s * 3 = 192 d/s/fig

Dumb2 CC06
1 missile = 125 damage * 1.33 = 166 damage/missile.

Also according to TEK a fig can continuously fire 3 dis2 for ~ 6.5-7 seconds.

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