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Spunkmeyer · Post by **Spunkmeyer** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:41 pm

Nice attempted hijack MrC /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

BV,

One problem is "refrain from illegal substance endorsement and discussions" is not in the ROC /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

The other problem has to do with Thalgor and this lawsuit crap.

Thalgor shouldn't be vulnerable to a lawsuit from some moron. All he does is run a forum and a lobby server. I understand what you are doing is for the best now, but perhaps eventually we must make plans to either move the ownership of these systems away from Thalgor or consult with a lawyer to clear things up, both of which require community funding.

We can't really have this constant policing over some vague moral issues forever. Depending on who has the admin job, pretty soon we'll have "Please make sure you acknowledge Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before you enter the game" /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Yes, I'm exaggerating, but hopefully you see my point.

jgbaxter · Post by **jgbaxter** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:52 pm

Spunkmeyer wrote:QUOTE (Spunkmeyer @ Oct 14 2006, 09:41 PM) One problem is "refrain from illegal substance endorsement and discussions" is not in the ROC

ROC#4 You may not violate any local, state, national or international law or regulation.

Spunkmeyer wrote:QUOTE (Spunkmeyer @ Oct 14 2006, 09:41 PM) The other problem has to do with Thalgor and this lawsuit crap.

Take it up with the us government then, Thalgor didn't make the law, like the rest of us, he's beholden to it.

Seymor · Post by **Seymor** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:04 pm

jgbaxter wrote:QUOTE (jgbaxter @ Oct 15 2006, 07:52 AM) ROC#4 You may not violate any local, state, national or international law or regulation.
Take it up with the us government then, Thalgor didn't make the law, like the rest of us, he's beholden to it.

First: Please stop ignoring the first amendment of the United States Constitution.

Second: Please stop saying smoking tobacco is illegal.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:15 pm

This is not a democracy. You have no right to a voice here. This is a private message board paid for and maintained by a private group of individuals. What makes you think you can come here and post whatever crap you want in complete disregard for the rules set up by the admins who govern, support, and maintain the place?

That's like coming into someone's house with your muddy shoes, and when they ask you to please take them off, you tell them to $#@! off. Not cool, man.

If you want to make a statement or start your own political movement, go right ahead - start your own web site. But when it comes to THIS web site, and this game, realize that you are a guest and that you play here at the pleasure of the people who own and run the place.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:16 pm

jgbaxter wrote:QUOTE (jgbaxter @ Oct 14 2006, 04:52 PM) ROC#4 You may not violate any local, state, national or international law or regulation.
Take it up with the us government then, Thalgor didn't make the law, like the rest of us, he's beholden to it.

'Endorsing' illegal substances is not against the law (in the US), comedians do it all the time.

Seymor · Post by **Seymor** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:17 pm

takingarms1 wrote:QUOTE (takingarms1 @ Oct 15 2006, 08:15 AM) This is not a democracy. You have no right to a voice here. This is a private message board paid for and maintained by a private group of individuals. What makes you think you can come here and post whatever crap you want in complete disregard for the rules set up by the admins who govern, support, and maintain the place?

That's like coming into someone's house with your muddy shoes, and when they ask you to please take them off, you tell them to $#@! off. Not cool, man.

If you want to make a statement or start your own political movement, go right ahead - start your own web site. But when it comes to THIS web site, and this game, realize that you are a guest and that you play here at the pleasure of the people who own and run the place.

I am not talking about anything that was said on this board. I was talking about what happened on the game and the game belongs to the community.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:20 pm

Actually, the game belongs to Microsoft, who licenses it to anyone who wants to use it under a specific open source license.

The game servers, TS server, lobby server, ASGS authentication system, and custom core files however all belong to the private individuals to whom I referred in my earlier post.

I am not sure exactly who you're talking about when you say "community" but I assure you they own nothing.

Spunkmeyer · Post by **Spunkmeyer** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:23 pm

QUOTE Take it up with the us government then, Thalgor didn't make the law, like the rest of us, he's beholden to it.[/quote]

The irrelevance of the issue to ROC#4 has been pointed out - as for this bit.. again, it has nothing to do with the law of the land (and I'm sure you are not a lawyer, neither am I). If the current state of affairs is such that Thalgor is indeed responsible for the words of players in the game, it is no good to attempt and police this away in the long haul. The problem has to be resolved eventually.

finn_bryant · Post by **finn_bryant** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:43 pm

Firstly I would like to congratulate Pook on being so cool. we are so lucky that he is such a nice guy, he could have gone forever (and taken ASGS with him), and owed us nothing, but he didn't.

Secondly, this whole argument is blown stupidly out of proportions.

Thirdly, the admins exist for a reason. if we wanted a system that followed the ROC exactly to the letter in a black and white way, we could write a program to do it. it would suck. but admins can use judgement, they decided, that even though it wasn't actually breaking the ROC, talking about drugs was dangerous to the community because it could potentialy drive away new players. and at a time where new players are soon to become common, it is important to start drawing the line more carefully.

Now, the admin then gave a warning which is fair enough, it was a questionable problem, so a ban would have been unfair. but then someone tried to purposefully push the admin. if you do something that you have been told not to just to annoy the admin, you are not respecting them, so you get banned, you deserved it. I don't care if the admin was right or wrong. if you think they were wrong, go complain to their superiors, if they are Thalgor or Pook, they are god, they are never wrong.

There is a law in the UK which basically says that if you knock off a policeman's hat, you get fined (don't know if its in US too). sounds stupid but it exists because police officers require respect to operate, the law continues to exist whether the officer is arresting you fairly or not, if you knock off the hat of an officer who is trying to arrest you for smoking, you get fined, smoking is legal, but you still knocked off their hat, you broke the law.

lastly, Pook and Thalgor are gods, they are mostly nice gods, if sometimes they do things that you disagree with, you can beg them to reconsider, but if you try to force them, they might just realize that we're all a bunch of asshats and flood the place, there might not be an ark, and in case you've forgotten, THEY ARE NEVER WRONG!!! not because they are omnicient (im not saying they aren't) but because they own the plug and pay the bill, they can stop doing either whenever they damnwell want.

conversation over. please look the other way while this thread dies.

Duckwarrior · Post by **Duckwarrior** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:07 am

All this testosterone will make you bald. It's just the rules, nothing to get upset about, there's no need to spring into action and jump on a side like we are playing a competitive sport. I read BVs most recent post and that is all he seems to be saying. Play by the rules, or if you feel you are unable to for whatever reason, then in the nicest possible way don't play here.

Balling people out along the lines of, do it Thals/Pooks/whoevers way or $#@! off, just gets peoples backs up. The legal issue is moot, irrelevant, house rules are no drugs talk, normal courtesy should then kick in and you simply restrain yourself from doing so. It's simple, just don't do it, the odd slip or off the cuff remark isn't going to get anyone banned. But forcing the issue will.

At the end of the day, all most people want is a pleasant atmosphere to play in, not utopia, just free from the constant flame wars. Big ban sticks piss people off, pot talk pisses other people off, exercise a little common sense, if you aren't adult enough to do so, pretend you are.

What it boils down to is whilst you are playing the game or posting on the forum, follow the rules, do whatever it is that makes you smile (but don't necessarily tell the rest of us what that is) and PK every mother$#@!er thats has ever pissed you off.