Discussion of IC Changes

Post by **pkk** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:15 pm

@Sealer

Dreg is just slow at mining, stop bringing up the argument that they're expensive.

Dreg has a "10% yield bonus":

 yield 135%
-costs 125%
        10% bonus

Std Miner (BIOS/Rix/GT):
Capazity: 90 he3 units
yield: 100%
mining speed: 100%
Mining time at he3 rock: 2 mins
Credits for full load: 7200

Dreg Miner:
Capazity: 67.5 he3 units
yield: 135%
mining speed: 65%
Mining time at he3 rock: 2.5 mins (less capacity and slower mining speed)
Credits for full load: 7290

Valiance · Post by **Valiance** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:48 pm

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Apr 30 2009, 11:15 AM) Std Miner (BIOS/Rix/GT):
Capazity: 90 he3 units
yield: 100%
mining speed: 100%
Mining time at he3 rock: 2 mins
Credits for full load: 7200

Dreg Miner:
Capazity: 67.5 he3 units
yield: 135%
mining speed: 65%
Mining time at he3 rock: 2.5 mins (less capacity and slower mining speed)
Credits for full load: 7290

Plus the base speed of dreg miners makes up for some of that extra 30 seconds.

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:49 pm

@sealer: GT ints come close... they have .05 more hull but .1 less damage. Their models are much larger though so that's a problem.

Sealer · Post by **Sealer** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:10 pm

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Apr 30 2009, 08:15 PM) @Sealer

Dreg is just slow at mining, stop bringing up the argument that they're expensive.

I don't see how Dreg being slow at mining invalidates the argument that they are expensive.

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:17 pm

Getting a bit OT here, and although dreg has the nice Yield Bonus they are still expensive because you have to assume the miners live, takes longer for dreg to payday @#(! then anyone else.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:34 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Apr 30 2009, 09:59 AM) Okay a few points for IC:

First off removing ripping miners is something I would want to stay away from for a few reasons
a) it is unique
b) its a lot of work - we would be looking at reworking miner speed, yield, time at rock, maybe even if they can unload at tech bases, etc to accommodate this because frankly non-ripping IC econ would suck (no refs you see!)

Then why was gt hit with a yield nerf?

Also as you mentioned ic cannot take all of these nerfs everyone wants to hit them with. Most of these ideas arent that bad and would change ic but it would be nice to come to a decision soon and see how it plays out in game, then get back on track as far as regular releases. Then we could see how it played out for a month or so. Because i highly doubt that anybody can accurately predict how much a set of nerfs will effect ic. I think pick one and go with just that.

also dreg has 8% bonus, nubs

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:45 pm

QUOTE I believe, and I'm not sure at all, that there's a upper limit to rip time. Either it's a limit in the engine or a limit in the AI (Hmm, I started ripping but nothing's happened yet, I ought to start the sequance again).[/quote]QUOTE This is correct. The exact value evades me... 25 seconds (ish)?[/quote]
Carriers have a 60s rip time.

privateerm · Post by **privateerm** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:23 am

What about making it so that their tech bases could not rip(or atleast their exp cons)? They would have to push them from their build base. It would prevent over expansion to quickly especially on small maps. Could you make it so that you had to research con rip functionality? It would slow their expansion as well as give a nice addition to the IC story.

Edit: Atleast this way people could keep their love of IC but still have to work harder to compete!

Edit2: On this thought, could IC miners by default not be able to rip and you would have to purchase the rip ability from the gar... a nice slow rip... then to get the fast rip, you (what is normal now) you need an upped gar

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:59 am

That is a very ill-thought out post. Please do not post here again if you can't offer a more telling analysis of what you are suggesting

Paradigm2 · Post by **Paradigm2** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:21 am

I think either: a) IC Miners should not be able to offload at techbases (aside from garrison) or b) IC miners should not ripcord.

GT is the only other faction without refineries, and I think it is justified that their miners offload at techbases for this reason in combination with their miner's lack of ripcord.

I think letting IC miners rip sufficiently makes up for not having refs in your economy so that IC does not also need this offload perk.

Removing this ability would slow down IC econ in the early stages by forcing them to buy a home rip at the garrison or placing the TP with the OP, rather than a common practice of pushing the op one way and the TP to the techbase sector (where miners can later offload).