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Shizoku · Post by **Shizoku** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:21 pm

Ideally, the scout has an int providing cover. The mines are meant to immobilize the target making it easy to pick off.

finki · Post by **finki** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:43 pm

The way He3 counters work changed in R5, and I have no idea how much (if any) of the following discussion is still applicable - juckto

Andarvi wrote:QUOTE (Andarvi @ Mar 3 2009, 10:59 AM) Watch the He counter in the minimap. If it falls, chances are there is a miner in the sector with you.

Watch the He roids in F3. If the He bar is falling, miner ahoy. Miners also auto-choose the fullest roid to harvest, so you might want to head there early.

When flying the minimap He3-info doesn't work. Use F3 in base and launch AFTER you know where to head. Flying circles for 10minutes when you just could've waited 10seconds until a miner started mining anywhere again and you see the he dropping is wasted time and ressources.

Additional to the other one: The miners head to the CLOSEST full He rock. So if you come into a sector with more possible full He rocks take the one closest to the sector the miner would come from.

You usually, in Europe afternoon times where fufi commands quite often and inspires thousand of voobs, really won't boost into an aleph because chances are high they are caltroped! And you gain nothing. If you are uneyed you can take the extra 2seconds you lose because of slowing down anyway. If you are in the really unlucky position that the miner just leaves the rock you shouldn't have a problem chasing him, especially if you fly to where he will go and not to the rock, turning, following him from behind (sometimes IntPilots track like dumbfires, just with much slower reaction times to where the miner is now atm). Hint: It will head to unload (if you're not eyed))

SaiSoma · Post by **SaiSoma** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:05 pm

QUOTE Watch the He counter in the minimap. If it falls, chances are there is a miner in the sector with you.[/quote]

finki, you missed the phrase "IN THE SECTOR WITH YOU"

The He3 counter does work in the sector you are in and JUST the sector you are in.

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:25 am

Christ all mighty, just watch the BARS on the mini-map.

WTF you need to hover your mouse over it for?

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:52 am

no finki is right. If you are in a sector with YOUR miner, the he values will drop, as will the bars above the rocks. However, if it is an enemy miner, it wont. You need to have someone in base tell you or figure it out yourself before you launch. Or in the extremely rare occasions there is an infintestimally small amount of teamwork on your team you might have a scout come with you. Or in the other extremely rare occasions you have a commander who knows what hes doing you will have pulse probes.

Makida · Post by **Makida** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:24 am

Okay, so, the definitive answer -- you can ONLY see He3 drops when you are in base, and even if you're in the same sector as active enemy miners, you won't see the drop, yes? >_> The lack of consensus on this confusing.

Weylin wrote:QUOTE (Weylin @ Mar 4 2009, 01:03 AM) Maybe you should do a lesson on aborting a mother$#@!ing bomb run when you know good and damned well that theres at least 5 $#@!ing rixian heavy ints camping the other end.

It's happened countless times, someone goes in, sees that it's camped, and oh, look, the rest of the team keep going just to be all killed 4 seconds after going in.

This is so true, it's like there's some sort of psychological momentum that makes people keep going into an obvious suicide. Bomber comes up to an aleph with two nans. "Is it camped?" One nan goes in and dies. "OMG yes, there's a caltrop, two towers, ten high-KB Mini-3 heavy ints, and a fully turreted cap ship!" "Hmmm... Well... we're already here... would be a shame to just turn around now! Tell you what, I'll go in slow."

SpkWill · Post by **SpkWill** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:46 pm

girlyboy wrote:QUOTE (girlyboy @ Mar 4 2009, 06:24 AM) Okay, so, the definitive answer -- you can ONLY see He3 drops when you are in base, and even if you're in the same sector as active enemy miners, you won't see the drop, yes? >_> The lack of consensus on this confusing. :(This is so true, it's like there's some sort of psychological momentum that makes people keep going into an obvious suicide. Bomber comes up to an aleph with two nans. "Is it camped?" One nan goes in and dies. "OMG yes, there's a caltrop, two towers, ten high-KB Mini-3 heavy ints, and a fully turreted cap ship!" "Hmmm... Well... we're already here... would be a shame to just turn around now! Tell you what, I'll go in slow."

Iirc you will see the drop if you enter the sector and the level of he has dropped since you last looked at it but won't see enemy activity while in sector without eye.

CronoDroid · Post by **CronoDroid** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:21 pm

I seem to remember seeing enemy He3 drop while in a sector with an enemy miner too. In fact I've used it many times to make sure it's still mining in the sector.

SaiSoma · Post by **SaiSoma** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:18 pm

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Mar 3 2009, 07:52 PM) no finki is right. If you are in a sector with YOUR miner, the he values will drop, as will the bars above the rocks. However, if it is an enemy miner, it wont. You need to have someone in base tell you or figure it out yourself before you launch. Or in the extremely rare occasions there is an infintestimally small amount of teamwork on your team you might have a scout come with you. Or in the other extremely rare occasions you have a commander who knows what hes doing you will have pulse probes.

I've been in a sector with an uneyed enemy miner and watched the He3 counter drop. Or . maybe I left the sector and came back in. I know it updates while you're out of base when you enter a sector.

Vlymoxyd · Post by **Vlymoxyd** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:39 pm

I'm not sure, but I think that whenever you switch sector(either by entering or by switching when docked + f3), the he3 will always update correctly. But if you're staying in the same sector(you don't switch sectors on f3 or don't change sector if you're in), the he3 will only update if you can eye the rock(asteroids got signature too). Afaik, the sig of an asteroid is higher than the sig of a miner(But i could be wrong).