So admins ban stackers now?

Psychosis · Post by **Psychosis** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:42 am

personally, I think we all could use a little more info.

on one part I think that the @alleg's are currently discussing the hell out of this.

Before we continue this much further, I believe that we should have information to the scale and scope. Those are very high bans for something that most people consider to be trivial.

We weed out the stackers normally fairly well, the problem is the carebearism that has prevented the natural process of weeding these people out.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:43 am

PsycHosis wrote:QUOTE (PsycHosis @ Mar 23 2008, 06:42 PM) We weed out the stackers normally fairly well, the problem is the carebearism that has prevented the natural process of weeding these people out.

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fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:00 am

Topic Title: So admins ban stackers now?

Answer: Yes, stop stacking.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:09 am

fuzzylunkin1 wrote:QUOTE (fuzzylunkin1 @ Mar 23 2008, 07:00 PM) Topic Title: So admins ban stackers now?

Answer: Yes, stop stacking.

Ok ill just fly for whatever team is going against you and pod you unmercifully.

That sounds enjoyable enough to have to deal with relative incompetence.

note my incredibly vague definitions.

Shizoku · Post by **Shizoku** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:11 am

Yes, just what I needed. More motivation to come back to this game!

What was the line again? "Go die in a couch fire"? Yeah that definantly needs to get used more in this topic.

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:48 am

There's a guy in my class called Chris that tried to do a cartwheel through a couch fire. Halfway through he realised his hand was burning and tried to lift it off the fire. So instead his face landed in it.

We call him Crispy now.

Ozricosis · Post by **Ozricosis** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:22 am

This is how you control a group of people using fear and intimidation.

QUOTE 03/23/08 07:18:41: +Tiger@HQ (all): ugh $#@!ing stackers piss me off. I swear, the next person I see stacking is going to get it.
03/23/08 07:22:28: +Tiger@HQ (all): I don't $#@!ing believe it
03/23/08 07:22:31: +Tiger@HQ (all): the moment yellow gets a player
03/23/08 07:22:33: +Tiger@HQ (all): players stack blue
03/23/08 07:22:39: +Tiger@HQ (all): What the hell is wrong with people in this game!!!!
03/23/08 07:22:41: +Tiger@HQ (all): Seriously
03/23/08 07:22:41: Saxy37@Dreg (all): hey tiger, imbalance is N/A
03/23/08 07:22:49: +Tiger@HQ (all): that's it. I'm not goign to take it any more.
03/23/08 07:23:01: +Tiger@HQ (all): Beer, enjoy your stacking out of the game
03/23/08 07:23:14: CronoDroid@Dreg (all): I don't think you could call this a real game
03/23/08 07:23:18: CronoDroid@Dreg (all): It's out9
03/23/08 07:23:25: Saxy37@Dreg (all): tiger banning ppl from this game would be an abuse of your power
03/23/08 07:23:27: Lykourgos@XT (all): i think you should ban the person with gc myself
03/23/08 07:23:27: +Tiger@HQ (all): I don't care. I'm sick of stacking and I'm going to do what I can to put an end to it
03/23/08 07:23:32: +Tiger@HQ (all): $#@! abuse of power
03/23/08 07:23:36: +Tiger@HQ (all): Beer stacked. Plain and simple.
03/23/08 07:23:38: +Tiger@HQ (all): He's out.
03/23/08 07:23:42: Saxy37@Dreg (all): tiger imbalance is n/a
03/23/08 07:23:47: +Tiger@HQ (all): I don't care about game settings
03/23/08 07:23:49: Lykourgos@XT (all): really tiger
03/23/08 07:23:55: Lykourgos@XT (all): you think this is the fault of the people on blue
03/23/08 07:23:57: Lykourgos@XT (all): and not the person with gc
03/23/08 07:24:01: +Tiger@HQ (all): No, I think this is Beer's fault<---???
03/23/08 07:24:04: +Tiger@HQ (all): so he's gone.
03/23/08 07:24:07: Saxy37@Dreg (all): tiger you are being ridiculous
03/23/08 07:24:11: +Tiger@HQ (all): Saxy, is it your fault too?[/quote]

Can an admin please point out the part that makes this a bannable offense?

If we are re-writing the rules of Allegiance on the fly it would be really great if we had a set of guidelines to follow.

I found the last seven lines in this quote were all that I needed to read.

I hope to hear something soon from our beloved Admins. Unless they just plan to run a fear campaign...

CronoDroid · Post by **CronoDroid** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:25 am

mcwarren4 wrote:QUOTE (mcwarren4 @ Mar 24 2008, 10:34 AM) Not trying to pick on you Crono but I'm sure other people might actually believe this statement. Your logic is wrong here for two reasons. That would suggest that in the past 8 years no newbies have gained skill in this game quick enough to hang with the current ranks of anti-stacking vets. Look at Drizzo, yourself, Broodwich, Guitarism, MrK, and Evincar just to name a handful. Each of those players are relatively new compared to some of the vets in this community yet they display skill levels that are on par with most vets. If you agree that we would retain 2x the newbies then its only natural that a certain percentage of them would become good enough to replace the vets that leave.

Eh, making angry posts at 3am in the morning does wonders for logic, doesn't it? I know I have a point in here somewhere but in all honesty I don't think I can pull it out of the murk.

In fact pretty much all my posts have been the result of anger at the admins' hypocrisy and fear mongering tactics displayed yesterday, but I still believe mandatory autobalance with a better ranking system is a better way of stopping stacking rather than banning the culprits.

EDIT: As for the fallacious use of the slippery slope argument, the case of Beer demonstrates the use of bannination for joining a faction that has an advantage because of the settings, so it would hold that they'd ban someone for joining IC over Giga on Star. However the banning for SGs argument is fairly silly in retrospect.

EDIT2: Since this policy has been reneged, woot!

Ksero · Post by **Ksero** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:30 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Mar 24 2008, 02:42 AM) UGH, the problem with non stacked teams is that its a TOTAL HEADACHE to get the team to do anything. You spend an hour yelling at idiot voobs/noobs to get them to do stuff to win the game and... ugh

So if the teams are more even, you actually have to focus? Use your brain? Strain yourself? You want to have an easier time? You want to join the stacked team so you can sit back and relax? Essentially, you want to play Allegiance on "easy" difficulty? So you don't have to think too much? It's just too bad that not everyone can join the stacked team. Maybe we should start using imbal N/A, and play one player vs world? Then the world will have a real easy time. And only a single player will have to "anti-stack". We can take turns.
QUOTE i feel this will lower the overall game play as the more experienced people will play less due to not wanting to be hassled. The games may be more even, but the voobs/noobs who actually have potential wont be going up against the toughies and as such will develop skills either slower or not as well since they wont be playing against the creme of the crop.[/quote]
If there are vets who won't play Allegiance if they can't stack, and we somehow stop stacking... Then yeah, those vets might leave, and game quality might temporarily dip. Eventually, newbies become vets, we'll fill the space of those vets that left and we'll have as competent players as before. But we won't have any more stacking.

CronoDroid · Post by **CronoDroid** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:50 am

QUOTE For the record, I was never surprised at the backlash, and never said I was.

But Bacon, you're right. I've been acting pretty lame for the last two days and I'm going to change it right now.

The reason why some of these actions were taken was because the community has been complaining a lot about stacking. Because of this, a "hard stance" was shown to make everyone aware of the issue and bring it straight to the front of the community's attention. That is exactly what was done, and I'm glad people are talking. Since the message is out, effective immediately no other callsigns will appear on the Ban list for Stacking. Policy will return to normal.

Instead, the ZLs will talk about solving this problem from another direction and we'll work something out asap.

Stay tuned.

--TE[/quote]

So what is it? Unless there's a huge bit of drama every three months Allegiance will implode on itself?

Next time, just post a big $#@!ing message on General instead of ruining about a hundred people's day.