I am sick of it

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:49 am

stupid reply to own post button next to edit

Snack · Post by **Snack** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:55 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Apr 20 2007, 07:48 AM) if we all lose 50% of the time, we would all be (15s)

WOO that would be so boring.

might as well ditch the rankings if that was the case

So we have FINALLY said it out in the open. BALANCING GAMES AND ANTISTACKING IS COMMUNIST! (And we all know what happened to that! Hah!)
You sir Camaro are the real think machine and a true philosopher. How could we all be so blind?!
Thank you! Now burn the HELO machine!

batman · Post by **batman** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:02 am

It appears several of the recent posters have not been reading the whole thread, but hey -- its the forums -- why read.

Cam - check Pooks posts in this thread -- yes ranks will converge on 15 then disperse out and then converge again in a wave-type manner. It is a statistical funcition of any rakning system like HELO.

Now, referring back to some of the earlier graphs and stats in this thread -- HELO does not measure pilot skill, per se. It ACTUALLY measures pilot ability to be on the winning team. If your won/loss ratio is significanlty above 1:1, you are flying for/with the stack a significant portion of th time.

Whether you do this because you hate the other comm, you like the current comm, you fly with buddy, you fly against buddy, you must win, you hate to lose, etc. -- it does not matter, you are flying wth the stack. Some of you might draw small (or large) stack because your skills are so good. Nevertheless, you fly with the stack.

Using autobalance insures that each team will have approximately even chances of winning. It does not say you are a good or a bad player. It just evens the odds so everyone has an equal chance to win.

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:59 am

Snack wrote:QUOTE (Snack @ Apr 19 2007, 08:55 PM) So we have FINALLY said it out in the open. BALANCING GAMES AND ANTISTACKING IS COMMUNIST! (And we all know what happened to that! Hah!)
You sir Camaro are the real think machine and a true philosopher. How could we all be so blind?!
Thank you! Now burn the HELO machine!

i did not say that. if what pook says is right (which i have no reason to doube he isnt), then you will never have a perfectly balanced game.

if anything "the stack" is more of a demoralization that a reduction of your ability to win. half the time "the stack" has the teamwork skills of a 6 year old and wins through whoreage and a small number of pilots who work together to get bomb runs going.

"the stack" can be beaten with good teamwork on the opposing side (provided of course there isnt a newbie stack on that team)... is this common? of course not because you are flying around going "oh god they are stacked... were so screwed."

So is stacking good? of course not, is it the end of the world? probably not. All ANY (non newb stacked) team needs is a person who has the ability to sway the tide of a battle, thats where you have your big names (who should have high rank) because they can command the troops into action as a team.

Thus, "the stack" isnt your general stackers, but those few who can command others that ensure the success of the stack.

-this idea was written in stream of consciousness, hence the slight contradiction.

blackeagle0001 · Post by **blackeagle0001** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:42 am

Meh, You know Camaro that that makes you sound like a stacker?

Either way, i wont be on for a while, different PC with a good graphics card, ill probably be plauying C&C 3 and other new games, cyas thursday!

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:04 am

FE-Black Eagle wrote:QUOTE (FE-Black Eagle @ Apr 19 2007, 10:42 PM) Meh, You know Camaro that that makes you sound like a stacker?

Either way, i wont be on for a while, different PC with a good graphics card, ill probably be plauying C&C 3 and other new games, cyas thursday!

i dont deny my stackerness. however on unranked servers i tend to just play for whatever faction i like best... cause it doesnt really matter and sometimes you can beat the stack.

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:14 am

Uhhh ... just for the record. I wasnt making any point /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />

But uhh ... sure! It was an excellent point!

Conclusion: I am awesome. This thread sucks.

No seriously. What's gonna come out of this? Nothing. What has come out of the last gazillion threads like this? Nothing.

Mordechaj · Post by **Mordechaj** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:33 am

that's not true! some serious @#(! and drama did /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Cadillac · Post by **Cadillac** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:02 am

Hey, maybe we'll even get a few people banned this time! That would be awesome! /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Ksero · Post by **Ksero** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:20 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Apr 20 2007, 07:48 AM) if we all lose 50% of the time, we would all be (15s)

WOO that would be so boring.

might as well ditch the rankings if that was the case

As I wrote earlier in the thread:

Ksero wrote:QUOTE (Ksero @ Apr 19 2007, 01:22 AM) No. Skilled pilots would be able to win when playing with weaker teams. Therefore, they would still have higher ranks.

Camaro, summarized by me wrote:QUOTE (Camaro, summarized by me @ Apr 20 2007, 09:59 AM) * stacks are overrated and can be beaten with teamwork
* the stack often has a psychological advantage
* the true stars of Allegiance are those few who can command others that ensure the success of the team.

I only have one objection to this. If stacks are overrated, then why don't they lose more often? Why do they have such a fearsome reputation? Though admittedly this is hard to discuss without knowing just how often the stack does lose /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Also, I particularly agree with your last point.

Cadi and Mord, I'd like this thread to stay *on* topic if possible. Thank you /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />