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Sheriff Metz
post Feb 27 2018, 04:39 PM
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Reduced scout top speed and boost 1/2/3 thrust to PCore 12 values

This is the reason the game has been so "floaty" and autopilot has been way more broken than usual. LANS is going to try to fix the AP problems in the game code, but there's no way around +30% thrust and 30% top speed not causing a lot of drifting around without improving sidethrusters to compensate, but that introduces problems of its own.

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only TF Adv figs now have innate lead indicator, Harbinger of Doom now relays lead indicator



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PE Gatt 1 particle restored to normal speed (600), gatt2/3 improved to 800(600)/1000(600), and lifespans for 2/3 reduced to .8(1)/.55(1.1)


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AC Tower projectile damage increased to 12(10) and lifespan increased to 2.5(2) - resulting in a range increase to 1250 (1000)

AC tower damage has been much less than SC tower total damage (AoE + Direct) and furthermore drastically less effective than SC due to Skycap's AoE and longer range, especially with respect to how AC towers autobuild in Dumbfire range of alephs in order to stay within their own (previously 1k) firing range ultimately resulting in them dying pointlessly. The code is being changed so they don't autobuild so closely to alephs but still build within their max firing range.

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Turn radius of Quickload variants of Dumbfire1 (0.610865), Dumb2 (0.698132), and Dumb3 (0.785398), buffed to .8 to be consistent with standard Dumbfire 1, 2, 3

Dumbfire turning radius was buffed in PCore 14 but the quickload variants weren't so I'm fixing it now for consistency.


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PT bombers Lightning 1, 2 modified to do half damage 50(100), 60(120) at half the mass .25(.5) but twice the capacity per rack 24(12), as well as the arming time for lightnings being reduced .01(.25), and reload time reduced .3(.75)

This is a shift in how lightnings function in order to make them more usable while maintaining similar DPS. Due to how fast they are, the lightnings would not arm quickly enough to damage anything within 150-250 meters roughly (depending on speed/momentum of you and your target). Reducing arming time fixes that (.25 is standard arm time for missles and rockets are technically missles - they just don't track). Also, due to game bugs that may or may not ever be fixed, the extreme amount of damage they do all at once causes damage to lag off (you see them hit and target HP go down but then restore. the same can by witnessed sometimes if you hit mines at like 450+mps). Halving their damage in exchange for double capacity should help them to not aggravate that issue. The reload time that was reduced is per-shot, not per rack, in order to maintain roughly the same max dps with this dmg/capacity change. (their max damage was already nerfed tremendously in PCore so I'm not planning on doing it further at this point)

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Lxy Interceptor fuel improved to 18 so it's consistent with the fuel changes to hvy ints

Giga lxy ints still have thrust/top speeds that of a belters hvy int, but with the mass of non-belters ints - as well as ripcord ability and improved scan range


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TF standard fighter mass reduced to 24 from 30

all tiers of TF fighters had 24 mass in PCore 14 (while every other faction except Belters had 30 mass fighters) but it looks like the TF T1 fighter got changed to 36 mass by mistake in PCore 15 with the mass changes, then I rolled it back to 30 in RC01 not realizing it needed to roll back to 24 to be consistent with how TF fighters are supposed to be, so here's me fixing my previous failure to fix a PCore 15 error.

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Heavy bombers, Lxy bombers, Lxy htts, and Heavy Troop transports now relay lead indicator


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Cashbox spawn rate is now actually halved like it was supposed to be the last 2 times - and remains 700 value since RC01 hotfix

There are fewer cashboxes now but individually they are more worth picking up, and less likely to cluster 3-4 at a time in the same area.

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post Feb 27 2018, 08:56 PM
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updated OP to account for giga lxy variants of bbr and htt for relaying of lead indicator, and lxy ints for fuel

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post Feb 27 2018, 10:28 PM
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updated OP with pt bomber lightning changes

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post Feb 28 2018, 03:04 AM
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post Feb 28 2018, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE ( Saudade @ Feb 28 2018, 03:04 AM) *
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Maybe if this @#(! was done many years ago, we wouldn't have literally zero newbies left in the game. FFS, it takes $#@!ing hours of practice to be able to shoot any other player without getting immediately vaporized in return, and the newbie in adv. tech is still gonna lose to a gatt1 scout.

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post Feb 28 2018, 05:52 AM
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it takes 5 minutes of self reflection (and is the most important part) another 30 minutes of 1v1 dm at 400m and another 2 hours maybe at best to realize to aim properly you need to learn to boost and maneuver your ship well.
You glorify aiming but its really just about having the right mindset


see my favorite example : TwistedArtist turned from voob to elite master whore simply by doing the first part of my post

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post Feb 28 2018, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (LANS @ Feb 28 2018, 02:00 AM) *
Maybe if this @#(! was done many years ago, we wouldn't have literally zero newbies left in the game. FFS, it takes $#@!ing hours of practice to be able to shoot any other player without getting immediately vaporized in return, and the newbie in adv. tech is still gonna lose to a gatt1 scout.

If this @#(! was done many years ago you would have nothing BUT newbies in the game.

I don't know what it is with people in this community who have this idea that somehow Allegiance would be so much more fun if only it weren't for that pesky skill requirement.

Seriously, being able to pod Raum's lt int in a basic gat1 scout is the product of practice and hard work, not some magical trick I just happened to discover last week. Now you're saying, "well if we take that away the game would be more fun." Sure, for Raum maybe. But what incentive do I have to play more than a dozen matches, get bored of chasing the dot, and then move on to any other game?

There are a great many reasons we don't have a huge influx of newbies who stick around. "The game is hard" is not one of them, nor has it ever been. Plenty of other highly successful games have learning curves as steep as Allegiance.

Y'all also talk about stupid @#(! like graphics. Dwarf Fortress has 500+ new downloads per day and a playerbase that's a conservative estimate of 15,000... hell they have 1500 patreon subscribers. Play DF, then tell me that Allegiance has a terrible or confusing UI, or that Allegiance is hard to be useful in, or any other of the dozens of excuses people have had for saying "allegiance can't make it because XYZ."

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post Feb 28 2018, 12:37 PM
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Yes I'm making the world easier for voobs by nerfing quickfires and hunters and increasing reliance on dumbfires and snipers, removing almost all of the floating tech, and cutting cashbox spawn rate in half.

God forbid something in the game relaying lead indicator to a bomb run. Oh wait, that's what carriers do. People must constantly bomb with a carrier. Oh wait, that virtually never happens. It must make escort figs incredible. Oh wait, it doesn't.

But wait, don't sfs have lead indicator? and turrets? damn what a voob fest this game is. What ever have I done!

I think k10 is scared that noobs with lead indicator are going to pod him. Don't worry K10, I won't let them 5-0 you.

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post Feb 28 2018, 01:33 PM
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honestly I have a mind to just have global lead indicator because it will definitely help retain noobs and then it gives vets more people to pod. Aiming is only a part of being an effective killer because if you can't prioritize targets well, conserve ammo/fuel well, position well, and don't have an exceptional amount of situational awareness and a decent amount of general game knowledge - you're still going to be garbage. Lead indicator is really mostly a gimmick to make people feel like they aren't complete @#(! when really they still are.


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post Feb 28 2018, 01:38 PM
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Honestly man this is a bad change, and I spend most of my time playing allegiance in the commander seat may I remind you.
Your core is going in a good direction but then you have to come up with a stupid idea like this one laugh.gif
podding people will just be awfully boring, side thrusting to dodge bullets will be meaningless, whatever though man.
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post Feb 28 2018, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE ( Saudade @ Feb 28 2018, 10:38 AM) *
podding people will just be awfully boring, side thrusting to dodge bullets will be meaningless, whatever though man.

Bbrs relaying lead indicator will make podding people boring? I really have no idea what you're talking about because what you're saying is just not based anywhere in reality.


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post Feb 28 2018, 01:43 PM
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You just said that you want to make them global regardless of bomber and now spin back your words to just bombers please be consistent with yourself.
And yeah it'll be mad boring fly by the bomber and just following green dots like a robot, wow much skill woohoo.
I mean you'll still probably fail at it personally because you'll overboost like a madman but everyone else will get bored out of it in a few games
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Honestly I don't really know why do I bother talking to you when you've always been just a utility player that can thrust sideways and drop prox
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post Feb 28 2018, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE ( Saudade @ Feb 28 2018, 10:43 AM) *
You just said that you want to make them global regardless of bomber and now spin back your words to just bombers please be consistent with yourself.
And yeah it'll be mad boring fly by the bomber and just following green dots like a robot, wow much skill woohoo.
I mean you'll still probably fail at it personally because you'll overboost like a madman but everyone else will get bored out of it in a few games

Sounds like you take more issue with the structure of a bomb run itself because it's inherently an almost completely skill-less joke, especially lately with how powerful floating nan2 has been and how @#(! everyone has become at spiking bombers. If you stack enough nans on an uneyed bomb run you automatically win the game. Great skill. Wow. If as the bomber pilot you don't fly directly straight into the enemy defenders/dumbfires, you're playing your role at maximum skill level; If as a nan you nan another nan at any point, you are playing your role at maximum skill level; if as a turret you can manage zoom and target prioritization while following the green dot around, you are playing your role at maximum skill level.

It's always been this way more or less and yet you still play the game. I can't imagine why *shrug*.

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QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Feb 28 2018, 08:50 PM) *
if as a turret you can manage zoom and target prioritization while following the green dot around, you are playing your role at maximum skill level.

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Getting the uneyed bomb run is what takes skill, teamwork and awareness, also time and time again commanders complain about "noob turrets" , time and time again commanders complain about the lack of cross nanning, so you say it is easy yet most of the time at least one of the things above doesnt happen.
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I mean even the proposition itself that bomb runs take no skill so we should add lead indicators to it and make it take even less skill is quite ridicilous
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@SumVeritas I see you and would like to know why you quit allegiance =(
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post Feb 28 2018, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE ( Saudade @ Feb 28 2018, 10:58 AM) *
Getting the uneyed bomb run is what takes skill, teamwork and awareness

It really doesn't. It only takes a moment to clear probes. and then whether or not someone flies in and eyes you is out of your control so it's always a gamble if you want to dedicate most if not all of your team to a venture that can easily be foiled by a single scout eyeing you/proxing you.

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also time and time again commanders complain about "noob turrets" , time and time again commanders complain about the lack of cross nanning, so you say it is easy yet most of the time at least one of the things above doesnt happen.

that's precisely my point. Everyone is trash at everything even if it's easy. and they'll be trash with lead indicator too so who gives a @#(!. there are like 6 people in this game who are exceptional at EVERY role and everyone else is only decent at any of them, at best.

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That's no excuse to dumb down the game.
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