P-Rank, Your thoughts? Options

[Archer14]

How Phoenix ranks the commanders of the game...


Tier S: No one (only Aarm and Spidey have made it here)

Tier A: Vogue, Dome, Phoenix1

Tier B: Ryujin, Drizzo, Botzman, Blake, Phantom 032, Weedman, Mastametz

Tier C: Sarajevo, Thallium, UncleBuck, The Alaskan, Cashto, Vortrog

Tier D: Tyrh, Yiggz, Chakotae, Boe

Explanations:

Tier S: Can win almost regardless of their team and techpath, always one step ahead of their opponents.

Tier A: Very solid grasp of the game, can almost win regardless of team OR techpath (but not both), firm grasp of how the settings affect the game and how to approach various maps.

Tier B: Good understanding of settings and map, good enough to generally draw a stack, dubious grasp of certain game concepts.

Tier C: Little to no understanding of maps, settings, or the strategy of the game, tends to use builds that are copied off the wiki. Tends to rely on conventional wisdom without truly understanding it. Generally have some very obvious ways of looking at the game which can be exploited.

Tier D: No understanding of the strategy of the game, may understand one or two maps by rote and one or two factions and their preferred settings. People here are either so predictable that they can simply be dismantled or they are unable to grasp certain very key concepts such as expanding or attacking miners.

This post has been edited by Archer14: May 6 2013, 07:36 PM

[Audacious]

hahahahahahahhahahahah Drizzo and Mastametz are below P1. Best attempt to troll in forever.

[SgtMajor]

hahahahahahahhahahahah Drizzo and Mastametz are below P1. Best attempt to troll in forever.

My thoughts exactly, epic b8 m8!

[phoenix1]

It wasn't posted in public because it wasn't ready yet. Tier lists are fluid things that change based on observations. For Masta and Drizzo most of what I had to go on is what other people have told me about them and my vauge memories of Masta and Drizzo from several years ago. Expect an updated list in Two Weeks ^tm... but some basic rearrangments would look like this:

Tier S:

Tier A: Vogue, Dome, Drizzo

Tier B: Mastametz, Botzman, Phoenix1, Blake, Ryujin, Weedman, Thallium

Tier C: Phantom032, Sarajevo, The Alaskan, Cashto, Vortrog

Tier D: Tyrh, Yiggz, Chakotae, Boe, Unclebuck

I'm not entirely sure about Thallium's placement since I have yet to fly for him, he could very much be further up the list.
Drizzo is another I'm unsure about, it's likely he sandbags against me, and most of my experience against him comes in Squadgames (same with Vogue) but MECPK vs SysX isn't even at all, so there's some question as to whether their stomping us has to do with Drizzo's command skill or the fact that Drizzo + Sheff + Vogue could curbstomp 90% of MECPK even if we flew at them at the same time.
Vogue is clearly #1 and commanding against him feels like commanding against Spideycw at times... though he lacks that little bit of "I don't care who's on my team or what the factions are, it's going to be a stomp anyways" that Spidey managed to pull off in his heyday.
Blake is another one who could move a lot since I don't have that much experience with or against him.

[Broodwich]

kaps is way better

[Vortrog]

Woohoo..I made Tier C and pushed Harold down to D...err...wait...

[cashto]

Another player that could move a lot is P1. He already dropped from tier A to tier B, but could potentially fall all the way to my level once P1 finds out more how he plays.

[spideycw]

I'm ranked too low

edit: instead of you all ridiculing P1 for his thoughts on this matter why don't you guys be constructive and help him accurately rank everyone?

This post has been edited by spideycw: May 5 2013, 08:28 PM

[FIZ]

This is all wrong. This is more like a list of commanders that can bring a stack to a PUG.

I guess I got trolled.

[TurkeyXIII]

OK, constructive criticism then.

The tier descriptions only reference game mechanics and strategy. I find commanding is only maybe 10% mechanics and 20% strategy, the rest is a vaguely defined term called leadership. Most commanders are not in the same tier as Vogue, Dome, Drizzo, or P32, but saying that they don't understand key concepts and copy strategy off the wiki is frankly insulting.

[Drizzo]

I'm ranked too low

edit: instead of you all ridiculing P1 for his thoughts on this matter why don't you guys be constructive and help him accurately rank everyone?

Sure!

There are exactly 0 players in my bracket.

[Audacious]

Sure!

There are exactly 0 players in my bracket.

That still play.

[phoenix1]

I'm ranked too low

S+ is reserved for Metaknight and Boxer only, sorry. Also you can't be ranked because you're not playing!

The tier descriptions only reference game mechanics and strategy. I find commanding is only maybe 10% mechanics and 20% strategy, the rest is a vaguely defined term called leadership. Most commanders are not in the same tier as Vogue, Dome, Drizzo, or P32, but saying that they don't understand key concepts and copy strategy off the wiki is frankly insulting.

It's an arbitrary ranking system, I'm trying to point out the differences between the tiers.

Also it's not possible to rank people based on "leadership" because that's very circular in this game.

There are exactly 0 players in my bracket.

Revised bracket:

S: Who cares?
A: A bunch of people
B: Federalbomber
C: No one
D: Harold
F: Drizzo

There, now there are exactly 0 players in your bracket

P.S. before you get mad about your placement: anyone who's above rank D is someone who doesn't give me an hour-long headache when they command. Tyrh, I love you, but stop comming giga

[Shizoku]

There have been many entertaining threads involving you lately p1. Please continue the good work

[Drizzo]

There have been many entertaining threads involving you lately p1. Please continue the good work

Srsly, he asks for it then cries when someone takes a shot at the giant target he paints on his back.

It's almost as easy as getting masta to freak out and try to take over alleg.

[phoenix1]

I'm crying?

EDIT: I'd also like to see Masta command more.

This post has been edited by phoenix1: May 5 2013, 10:38 PM

[Sheriff Metz]

These is even more inaccurate than I expected.
Much more.

But also far more entertaining.




Congratulations Dome, you are the best Commander left in Allegiance.

This post has been edited by Sheriff Metz: May 6 2013, 12:57 AM

[lexaal]

The list tells us a lot about P1 and little about the commander on his list.

[phoenix1]

Congratulations Dome, you are the best Commander left in Allegiance.

I don't think you're reading the list correctly, Dome is currently ranked as #2. Vogue is currently ranked as #1 and for very good reason.


EDIT: I want to thank Vogue and Sarajevo for conspiring to reveal information from the PK forums. It takes a special breed of person to reveal private information that isn't theirs for the sake of attempting to create drama.

Unfortunately all you did is make me realize that I should have released this info in the first place! Thanks for the discussion everyone! I'll probably make monthly updates if there are any changes or new commanders on the scene.

This post has been edited by phoenix1: May 6 2013, 12:48 PM

[Sheriff Metz]

There is nothing written that indicates that the people shown are listed in any specific order within a given tier

except for your "vogue is clearly #1" comment, which I am still not sure if you're joking or not

but I guess I am #4 in which case I will now have a celebratory wank

This post has been edited by Sheriff Metz: May 6 2013, 12:55 PM