I'm extremely enthused by what Cashto is doing.
Cashto please let me know if I can help in any way. If you hit a roadblock post in here or pm me.
Joakes where are we at on the Twitch stuff? I need you to be lead on this.
Onwards and upwards.
Allegiance Rebuild
QUOTE I have to say I agree with you that I think the site would be pushing the limits of what is permitted under the license. I agree that the best way to deal with it is to get it re-licensed under MS-PL. I’m trying to track down who can help with this, but since the software has been unsupported for so long, this is difficult (when we say ‘unsupported’, that also includes LCA support).
Let me dig a little more.[/quote]
Let me dig a little more.[/quote]
Globemaster_III wrote:QUOTE (Globemaster_III @ Jan 11 2018, 11:27 PM) as you know i think very little of cashto, cashto alway a flying low pilot, he alway flying a trainer airplane and he rented
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I have to disagree with you here Globey. MS has given quite a bit to the research community via endowments, and direct academic discounts etc. You could easily point to that as "Advertising", and be quite correct. But, Microsoft is in the business of growing their business and sometimes that can take interesting turns. I point to Pex/Moles which was a MSR project that was re-integrated to Visual Studio, but for a while it was a stand-alone product that anyone developing .net could use. There's lots of examples out there. Sure, I'm a fan boy, MS is how I make my living. I don't think they've ever given us the "cold shoulder", but Cash maybe just found the right door to knock on!Globemaster_III wrote:QUOTE (Globemaster_III @ Mar 22 2015, 09:07 AM) the back of my head, my hair just standing up, cashto are setting himself up for a lawsuit from Microsoft, Microsoft is not in business of giving anything away for free
before Microsoft release the allegiance game for free , there were a army game download for free from our government website, our gov using the game to measures human reactions
and Microsoft use allegiance for human behave, it might sound like crazy but Microsoft and gov always working side by side.
just like now, Microsoft gave away windows 10 for the first year free to all Windows 7 & 8 user.. Microsoft want to know how many window 7 & 8 is legit ?
they say.. windows 10 were free so we can study your way of searching the internet but that is a BS.
And now back to topic: YAAAAAAAAAAAAY CASH!!! Tear it up bro!!!
If this doesn't pan out, we might shop an idea past the windows Azure team to look at Allegiance as a way to showcase porting a legacy application into the cloud. There's a huge marketing push out there around Azure, maybe we could re-attract the mother-ship into investing back into the ol' beast?
QUOTE I spoke a few folks, and we may have a path forward. First, the code is copyrighted by Microsoft Corporation, with no reference to third party code or contributions. This means that we should be able to re-license the code under an open source license like MS-PL or MIT – all you’d have to do is submit a request in the OSS Tool to “Release Microsoft Code Under an OSS License”. This, however, assumes that there was no third party code in the original source and no contributions have been accepted that belong to a third party (even if they were contributed under the MSR-SSLA).
Unfortunately, I’m not sure of any method we can verify either of those two questions, given how much time has passed since the code has been supported. Typically, we’d require a code scan of any code being released in this manner (which you’d have to pay for). Given the length of time since this code was supported, however, it might be possible to have a business risk decision made to move forward without a scan. Talk to your manager and see if he or she would support this.[/quote]
QUOTE Wouldn’t an IP scan have been done when the code was initially released under MSR-SSLA?
The community has made contributions to the code since it was released in 2004, under the MSR-SSLA, but if I understand correctly – they retain ownership of those contributions and can make the decision to relicense them under the MS-PL or other license. To my knowledge, no other IP belonging to a third party has been contributed – but if they have, the liability for that belongs to the community, and not to Microsoft, correct?
In short, the work to be relicensed is not the code as it exists today, but the code as released in 2004 – Microsoft certifies it contains no third-party IP (and I presume we already did that when we first decided to release the code, so no need to repeat the same due diligence on the same bits). Going forward, it’s the community’s responsibility to ensure that it owns all IP contributed since that date.
The other issue, though, is approval. In the OSS Tool I see I need an Initial and Final Business approver (the Final approver being an executive) – not sure who these names would be. Certainly not my management chain – as I said, I work on something unrelated, and this is a personal interest only. Perhaps someone in MSR?
Again many thanks for your help,
- cashto[/quote]
Unfortunately, I’m not sure of any method we can verify either of those two questions, given how much time has passed since the code has been supported. Typically, we’d require a code scan of any code being released in this manner (which you’d have to pay for). Given the length of time since this code was supported, however, it might be possible to have a business risk decision made to move forward without a scan. Talk to your manager and see if he or she would support this.[/quote]
QUOTE Wouldn’t an IP scan have been done when the code was initially released under MSR-SSLA?
The community has made contributions to the code since it was released in 2004, under the MSR-SSLA, but if I understand correctly – they retain ownership of those contributions and can make the decision to relicense them under the MS-PL or other license. To my knowledge, no other IP belonging to a third party has been contributed – but if they have, the liability for that belongs to the community, and not to Microsoft, correct?
In short, the work to be relicensed is not the code as it exists today, but the code as released in 2004 – Microsoft certifies it contains no third-party IP (and I presume we already did that when we first decided to release the code, so no need to repeat the same due diligence on the same bits). Going forward, it’s the community’s responsibility to ensure that it owns all IP contributed since that date.
The other issue, though, is approval. In the OSS Tool I see I need an Initial and Final Business approver (the Final approver being an executive) – not sure who these names would be. Certainly not my management chain – as I said, I work on something unrelated, and this is a personal interest only. Perhaps someone in MSR?
Again many thanks for your help,
- cashto[/quote]
Globemaster_III wrote:QUOTE (Globemaster_III @ Jan 11 2018, 11:27 PM) as you know i think very little of cashto, cashto alway a flying low pilot, he alway flying a trainer airplane and he rented
*snicker*
If you guys want a good laugh, read Cashto's most recent chain of quotes and then his signature and pretend that the signature is part of the quote chain.
If you guys want a good laugh, read Cashto's most recent chain of quotes and then his signature and pretend that the signature is part of the quote chain.
Don't find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain.
Cookie Monster wrote:QUOTE (Cookie Monster @ Apr 1 2009, 09:35 PM) But I don't read the forums I only post.
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Companies like Microsoft and Adobe don't really care about piracy on an individual level. They also tacitly encourage it so that people get used to using their products, with the end goal of encouraging those people to demand those products at their businesses, universities, etc. Places that really do need to worry about having legitimate copies of those products and will pay handsomely for the rights so they don't get sued up the ass.Archangelus wrote:QUOTE (Archangelus @ Mar 22 2015, 11:57 AM) Actually windows 10 is free just so they can have a windows store.
They figured out its more rentable to have an online store that they can charge for apps, than trying to force ppl to buy full programs in discs, not to mention all the piracy.
If Windows 10 has a store or something that I didn't know about that allows people to pay Microsoft directly for purchases, well, even better.
Also, haven't had the opportunity to say this yet, but GO CASHTO!!!!!