germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Oct 22 2011, 04:11 PM) and a nuke being intercepted and exploding in the atmosphere above your country, raining radioactive material over a huge area is a great idea!
that was implied in my reply but thanks for spelling it out for Spawn cause in hindsight it probably should have been spelt out. Hit them or don't the radition, the bang, and party favors from a nuke exploding are going to hit you anyway unless you start launching well before it is clear they are a threat specifically to you. This means blowing them up over the Eurozone countries and the political fall out (pun intended) of doing so... Im not even going to give a thought to them coming over from the Septic side of the pond.
anyhoo my guess is if things get to the "nuke those limey Bastards" stage the delivery system would be something like this for many of the pontential offenders of soiling the fair UK
edit: Spawn not Doorjam
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Duckwarrior wrote:QUOTE (Duckwarrior @ Oct 22 2011, 07:05 PM) I must raid my bookshelf later. Churchill specifically ordered that no preference be given to the evacuation of British soldiers over French, in defiance of an order from the French command. It has been some time since I read the book. I need to refresh the details in my mind. Dunkirk. Retreat to Victory. By Major General Julian Thompson.
Britain in my view was saved by geography, namely The English Channel.
My question stands. How would Germany have invaded Britain?
Paratroopers?
Britain isn't Poland or France. It is obviously an island nation. Just thirteen paratroopers fill a JU52. Pretty much all of Britain was mobilised. Everybody too old for regular military service was drilling with their shotguns and pitchforks in the Home Guard. Britain in 1940 was a densely populated place. Wherever they landed they would have encountered stiff resistance from regular and auxiliary troops. Britain was fiercely defended by anti aircraft guns and reserve fighter squadrons based in Scotland and the north (admittedly mainly oddballs and obsolete types like Boulton-Paul Defiants and Gloucester Gladiators). A JU52's maximum speed is 270kph/165mph at 900m/3000 feet, it's service ceiling is 17000 feet/5200 metres. There were no quiet points for them to cross the coast, many would have been shot down long before they reached their drop zone. Paratroopers are not an invasion force in themselves, they are designed to nullify key targets and hold strategic positions. Once on the ground they are isolated from re-supply. They were totally unsuited as an advance force against what was probably the most heavily defended place in the world in 1940.
Beach landings?
The Kriegsmarine was no match for the Royal Navy surface fleet. Even in 1940, Britain was still the leading maritime power, with the most powerful navy in the world. 15 Battleships & Battlecruisers, 7 Aircraft Carriers, 70 Cruisers, 190 Destroyers. Not to mention auxiliary vessels, Mine Sweepers, Frigates, Coastal Patrol Vessels and Motor Torpedo Boats. Flat bottomed barges would have been a scary place to be, especially on an open piece of water as unpredictable as the English Channel. What would have towed them? What would have defended them? U Boats would have been utterly vulnerable in such a narrow area of such shallow depth. Have you ever seen a Destroyer at 35 knots? or the target that it makes from the air when weaving and making smoke at high speed? How about the wake that it kicks up? How about 10 or 50 or 100? They wouldn't have needed to open fire, Passing through the invasion fleet at high speed would have been enough to capsize it mid channel. Look at the devastation wrought by 9 E-Boats during Operation Tiger with a single attack. Even with air superiority, it was far from a foregone conclusion.
Where would they have landed?
The South Coast of Britain is a treacherous place. Rip tides, cliffs and rocky beaches do not lend themselves well to assault. The available options to land were considerably fewer than the options that the allies had in 1944. The most likely spots were extremely heavily defended along a coastline that was very heavily defended.
I could go on, but it's already TLDR for me even.
I believe that the plan was to force the Royal Navy into an engagement either in the channel or north sea and hold them in place with the Kriegsmarine whilst the Luftwaffe pounded them into dust. Of course this is dependent on winning the Battle of Britain so that the Germans had air superiority. Even if that had worked (and I suspect that it would have taken time and got the Kriegsmarine knocked about a bit) the crossing would have been risky in the winter so a spring invasion in 1941 seems most plausible to me following a continual blitz on army installations on the south and east coasts. As Duck says the Army and Home Guard would have slowed the advance down although I wouldn't expect much more than a token fight once the air superiority comes into play over any large massing of British troops. However the terrorist fight would have been fought hard and been a distraction at least to the German brass, it was all planned and sensibly organised.
Spidey: Can't think of a reason I'd need to know anything
So we have successfully intervened in a fight that wasn't ours to tinker with and have now helped install a potentially even more unfriendly government.
Way to go... brilliant use of our taxpayer dollars.
Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Oct 24 2011, 03:37 AM) So we have successfully intervened in a fight that wasn't ours to tinker with and have now helped install a potentially even more unfriendly government.
Way to go... brilliant use of our taxpayer dollars.
Told ya Libya was uber conservative months ago. Also, what is this citing the Telegraph in one post and then slamming it in another? And I don't really know about that "even more unfriendly" part. Kind of hard to get more unfriendly than Qadhafi. Although it probably doesn't help the fact that the CIA tortured the de-facto mayor of Tripoli who is in line to take up a significant role in the next gov.
MrChaos to Sharpfish wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos to Sharpfish @ Oct 2 2011, 08:55 AM) Damn there went my hope you died in a couch fire.
QUOTE Drizzo: ha ha good old chap
Drizzo: i am a brit
Drizzo: tut tut
Drizzo: wankarrrrrr
Drizzo: i only have sex whilst in the missionary position[/quote] Fas est et ab hoste doceri - Ovid
_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Oct 24 2011, 04:06 AM) *snip* Although it probably doesn't help the fact that the CIA tortured the de-facto mayor of Tripoli who is in line to take up a significant role in the next gov.
Does it make me a bad man that I laughed when reading this bit.
Imagined convo
Now now future mayor of their economic hub no hard feeling right? What can we do for you to sooth those hurt feelings?
We went in because we were asked to by our Euro friends who wanted to play the game of soldiers too. Sure, at the very least we owe our British friends, let's do it. @#(! happened and now they reached the "MIssion Accomplished" moment, dead bad dude and free country. * sigh * Now comes the part where everyone thinks wtf now, and later wtf happned for the next generation or two. The wheel keeps spinning.
_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Oct 24 2011, 01:06 AM) Also, what is this citing the Telegraph in one post and then slamming it in another?
Sorry Nuke, I just cited the article I found first on it. If you would like I can cite a non-Telegraph article in this thread and then slam the Telegraph in another.
_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Oct 24 2011, 06:06 AM) Told ya Libya was uber conservative months ago. Also, what is this citing the Telegraph in one post and then slamming it in another? And I don't really know about that "even more unfriendly" part. Kind of hard to get more unfriendly than Qadhafi. Although it probably doesn't help the fact that the CIA tortured the de-facto mayor of Tripoli who is in line to take up a significant role in the next gov.
MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Oct 24 2011, 07:45 AM) Does it make me a bad man that I laughed when reading this bit.
Imagined convo
Now now future mayor of their economic hub no hard feeling right? What can we do for you to sooth those hurt feelings?
We went in because we were asked to by our Euro friends who wanted to play the game of soldiers too. Sure, at the very least we owe our British friends, let's do it. @#(! happened and now they reached the "MIssion Accomplished" moment, dead bad dude and free country. * sigh * Now comes the part where everyone thinks wtf now, and later wtf happned for the next generation or two. The wheel keeps spinning.
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Libya is descending into a failed state and what are those that broke it doing to correct it? Some air support backing up our traditional allies doesn't make this our mess.
Killing people to win their hearts and minds doesn't seem to be working... huh who would have thunk it
MrChaos
edit: Spelling this out just in case. The hearts and minds comment was meant as sarcastic tacit comment related to Iraqi
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Also, what is this citing the Telegraph in one post and then slamming it in another? And I don't really know about that "even more unfriendly" part. Kind of hard to get more unfriendly than Qadhafi. Although it probably doesn't help the fact that the CIA tortured the de-facto mayor of Tripoli who is in line to take up a significant role in the next gov. 
