Another BOOT thread

[Mryddlin]

Or maybe it's part of the design failure on this game when it comes to the control a Commander can exert over his/her team.

The commander can't do a jack @#(! other than Boot or Team Donate and for a game the focuses soooo much on team work the controls *within* the game suck ass.

Seriously having Telepathy should not be a requirement to play the game, almost all of the people that stay with this game share a common attribute... we are all pretty decent at Situation awareness and can anticipate the needs of the team/commander.... that's doesn't mean it's a good system (it's not, the Commander should be able to give some general orders and, at a glance, tell who is doing what). Right now you have to hunt over the F6 menu or F3 and watch what someone is doing.

I would love to see the Commander have more control and faster tools to spread information to the team, there is a thread in the dev forums for giving Bases unique names, that is a great example of a small improvement that can have a huge impact on communication (since you can CTRL+ name the base to send drones and pilots to it very quickly).

As stated, I do believe that the people that come to the *FORUMS* to complain about their boot probably did deserve it but that doesn't change the fact that if the game had better communication systems a significant number of boots could have been avoided.

That being said the responsibility is on both the commander and pilots to PAY ATTENTION to what is going on, that will never change.

But GOD it would be nice to see, at a glance, who accepted the duties instead of just sending over the chat 'I need miner D', i.e.:

- Miner Defence (3) (expandable trees so you can see the names/ranks of the players that accepted that task)
- Pilot A
- Pilot B
- Pilot C
- Miner Offense (6)
- Escort (2)
- Unassigned (first list to check for noobs and people to boot, everyone should be grabbing a role and based on the numbers assigned it would be easy to figure out what is needed, i.e. if Miner D have 1 person doing the task it's obvious that more are need and you join that role as it't the highest priority)

Having a general orders screen that the commander can push the 5 tasks that P1 laid out (or more) up and down in priority and the commander gets a message when someone joins that task would help a lot.

Taking that a step further the chat and wing system should be extended to automatically enroll a pilot into a wing/chat channel when they join the role and automatically subscribe to the proper drone notifications (i.e. you are on miner D you see the miner move orders, when a miner is finished and heading back to base the miner should broadcast that to the miner D wing).

The chat defaults should be: Commander = Team Chat, Pilots = Role Chats, Unassigned = Team Chat, with the commander having the ability to move pilots into roles with a couple of key strokes (i.e. your commanding and you need someone to do miner D that you trust, slap them into the miner D role and system notifies them of the role change)..

Anyway I know this mainly a thought experiment and I will keep any further discussion on communication issues to the development forums.

[SharpFish]

QUOTE (Jimen @ Jan 19 2010, 02:06 AM) Ah yes, the reason we have low retention is because of meanie comms booting all the newbies...despite the fact that booting newbies is a bannable offense!

That is not in fact what I said, but in the context of empty newbie servers and 5's and up being bootable, yes people certainly do get booted long before they necessarily understand what they (supposedly) did wrong - if in fact they did do anything wrong. And then they get to sit there twiddling their thumbs for maybe an hour while the game plays itself to a conclusion.

QUOTE I wonder why every "complaining about getting booted all the time" thread/post is made by someone who is either horribly wrong about everything ever (like you) or revealed to be an idiot voob within a page (like Blue_Ghost).[/quote]

I wonder why those excusing arbitrary exercise of power always make this self-justifying excuse? This is absolutely classic self-rationalisation, the stuff of which, in the real world, revolutions are made. Your odious elitism only confirms the point. Why SHOULD new players give this game a second chance when they get abused in this manner? Well surprise surprise, a lot of them don't. Even some of the old hands, no doubt, get bored of the power-tripping narcissists who feel it's perfectly reasonable to exclude people from, you know, actually playing the game at whim.

Perhaps it wouldn't be as big a deal if we had multiple servers running games, such as if you got booted from one you could join another. But to deny that prima donna booting happens is just farcical. It's a fundamentally appalling design decision and it should be got rid of immediately.

[spideycw]

I don't think anyone who actually commands thinks booting needs to be gotten rid of. It is a critical tool that is needed.

[Mryddlin]

QUOTE (spideycw @ Jan 19 2010, 02:27 PM) I don't think anyone who actually commands thinks booting needs to be gotten rid of. It is a critical tool that is needed.

Good God no! I just think you should have a few more tools

Like a 'Going to boot you soon dumb-ass' Button, this button would put a big DUMB ASS tag over the pilot, insta pod them and only allow them to fly scouts mounted with a nan

[Jimen]

QUOTE (SharpFish @ Jan 19 2010, 02:03 PM) That is not in fact what I said, but in the context of empty newbie servers and 5's and up being bootable, yes people certainly do get booted long before they necessarily understand what they (supposedly) did wrong - if in fact they did do anything wrong. And then they get to sit there twiddling their thumbs for maybe an hour while the game plays itself to a conclusion.

You can say this all you want but that doesn't somehow make it true! I don't expect any more from a 5 I don't know than I would from a 0 I don't know. As a result, 5s hardly ever get booted, since booting is typically reserved for people who should know better.

QUOTE I wonder why those excusing arbitrary exercise of power always make this self-justifying excuse? This is absolutely classic self-rationalisation, the stuff of which, in the real world, revolutions are made. Your odious elitism only confirms the point. Why SHOULD new players give this game a second chance when they get abused in this manner? Well surprise surprise, a lot of them don't. Even some of the old hands, no doubt, get bored of the power-tripping narcissists who feel it's perfectly reasonable to exclude people from, you know, actually playing the game at whim.

Perhaps it wouldn't be as big a deal if we had multiple servers running games, such as if you got booted from one you could join another. But to deny that prima donna booting happens is just farcical. It's a fundamentally appalling design decision and it should be got rid of immediately.[/quote]
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Well, then, let me clarify. You, while obviously having your $#@!ing panties in a bunch over getting booted a lot, are a total idiot, albeit (see? I can use fancy words too! shut the $#@! up) a fairly hilarious one. Every other person I've ever seen make a "waaaaaah I get booted a lot even though I don't do anything wrong" thread always ends up vanishing or tantruming after someone shows up with a detailed description of their vooby behavior. Does that mean I'm an elitist "excusing [the] arbitrary exercise of power"? No, it means, that,

YOU SUCK

[Mryddlin]

QUOTE (Jimen @ Jan 19 2010, 03:17 PM) YOU SUCK

fixed, it wasn't large enough

[HSharp]

Someone needs to break hymen.

[Youngmoose]

Unless you have been booted by Ozzy you may not post in this thread. Ever. You may also go to hell if you already did.

Ghost, the solution is all to easy, just log into your hider, and join again. If you were booted for good reason, learn from it. If the commander was an @#$%@#, SURPRISE!!!! The internet is full huge epeen's hiding behind their monitors and miles of fiber, co-ax, and CAT-5. Sorry, but when you registered here that is what you signed up for. We have all been booted and a great many of us banned, and no amount of complaining on these forums will remedy the situation. I'll tell you what will, get better, learn to kill miners and pod their asses. THAT will fix your predicament.

Life here is a bitch, no doubt. But pumping mini 3 into the ship of said bitch is always worth it.

[zombywoof]

To add to what Jimen said,

If you find that you are booted a lot, the problem is not with all of Allegiance hating you, it's with you sucking ass.

Doubly so because you refuse to accept that you suck. Self fulfilling prophecies and all.

[raumvogel]

QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Jan 19 2010, 06:51 PM) To add to what Jimen said,

If you find that you are booted a lot, the problem is not with all of Allegiance hating you, it's with you sucking ass.

Doubly so because you refuse to accept that you suck. Self fulfilling prophecies and all.

It's been awhile since the last post,so may I add:






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Allegiance-only lovers of abuse survive!!